Rogue PvE Bible - Updated for 1.3

[Nocent]

edit - found what i had asked...

Thank you for a great post and compilation!

[vnsh]

Thank you for this great post.

Just a question on the following macro:

#show Quick Shot
cast Crippling Shot
cast Piercing Shot
cast Quick Shot

I do not see where you get Crippling or Piercing shot with this setup?

agree, as mentioned upper just simple copypaste, pls fix it!

[Zierk]

I like the effort being put into this guide however I think it should be a collective guide with input from the entire community. I would suggest adding various different builds to give more variety and show the diversity of the Rogue when leveling. I don't think posting a soul calculator every 10 levels is going to help much without further explanation of WHY you are taking each talent. If I was a newbie rogue looking at the "Bible" I would like to know why I am following your guide.

I posted a leveling build with 16 Bard in sub, and I have seen bard sub mentioned in this thread by others. Bard is probably the number one sub job for Ranger when talking about a "Ranged Leveling" build. Solo-leveling should focus more on self preservation then straight DPS compared to a Ranger/Marks/Sin build. A Ranger/Bard/Sin offers the same thing but with greater survivability and versatility; being able to adapt to changing situations such as aggroing an unexpected add or possibly getting attacked in open pvp on pvp servers. With Bard you can also self buff your pet with Armor/HP/STR/DEX to increase that survivability. I believe a "leveling" build should focus more about survivability and less downtime then higher DPS. As I mentioned in an above post, you can also solo elites same level and below ALOT easier with a Bard sub then taking Marksman. Ranger/Marksman/Sin is more of a group DPS build then a solo leveling build.

What does the rest of the community think? I am not trying to troll just trying to give constructive criticism to improve the community support overall.

Again I do like the guide and it's progress and I will continue to monitor with high hopes! =)

[Flaymar]

It looks like he is just copying other peoples work and puttting it all in one thread without even giving credit, might be why its not getting good ratings

This is a collaboration of information from many different sources, its meant to be based on other peoples work. It would also be too hard and cumbersome to try remember who first taught me about a certain idea or build. However i do plan on now making a Credits Post to help give credit to those that have helped the community, and frankly, helped me perform to my best and enable Play Nice, Our guild, to clear all the content.

Thank you for being honest and sharing your view, i shall try to address the issue.

agree, as mentioned upper just simple copypaste, pls fix it!

Fixed thank you for bringing this to my attention, keep up the good work.

I like the effort being put into this guide however I think it should be a collective guide with input from the entire community. I would suggest adding various different builds to give more variety and show the diversity of the Rogue when leveling. I don't think posting a soul calculator every 10 levels is going to help much without further explanation of WHY you are taking each talent. If I was a newbie rogue looking at the "Bible" I would like to know why I am following your guide.

This was my initial Goal Zierk, I do plan on adding a lot more content over the next few months. As you said, this is meant to be a collective guide, i really would love to work with the community. At this point I’m working on getting some base content in all the areas mentioned in the Contents. Once this has been fore filled i will try look at other content to add. On the flip side, i dont want to make this too complex, giving people a large amount of choices, i would rather supply a narrow view that works, rather than a board one that would overwhelm people trying to learn.

I shall also look at expanding on choices, and try show my logic behind certian ideas. Thank you for brining this to my attention, much appriciated.

[Flaymar]

added
Melle Sab Raiding Guide
Credits Thread

[`xell]

Pretty sure your sabdancer rotation is for 1.2. It changed in 1.3.

[Flaymar]

Pretty sure your sabdancer rotation is for 1.2. It changed in 1.3.

I thought the only nerf of concequence was the Puncture from 5% to 2%.

I did some more research - i dont play this spec post 1.3, however i have noticed Hoko is using a different rotation and seems to be getting better results now post 1.3.

I will update rotation on guide, thank you .

[Seyon]

melee sab, unfortunately, cant get 3 rotations out of 1 deadly strike anymore.

spike x3, puncture > DS (gain 3 stacks) spike x2 (uses 2 stacks, giving a buff to make next SET of charges do +105%) det
shrap x1 (uses last stack, giving buff to make the next SET of charges do +105%) shrap x4, det

[Swinn]

This is a collaboration of information from many different sources, its meant to be based on other peoples work. It would also be too hard and cumbersome to try remember who first taught me about a certain idea or build. However i do plan on now making a Credits Post to help give credit to those that have helped the community, and frankly, helped me perform to my best and enable Play Nice, Our guild, to clear all the content.

Thank you for being honest and sharing your view, i shall try to address the issue.


Fixed thank you for bringing this to my attention, keep up the good work.


This was my initial Goal Zierk, I do plan on adding a lot more content over the next few months. As you said, this is meant to be a collective guide, i really would love to work with the community. At this point I’m working on getting some base content in all the areas mentioned in the Contents. Once this has been fore filled i will try look at other content to add. On the flip side, i dont want to make this too complex, giving people a large amount of choices, i would rather supply a narrow view that works, rather than a board one that would overwhelm people trying to learn.

I shall also look at expanding on choices, and try show my logic behind certian ideas. Thank you for brining this to my attention, much appriciated.

Thanks for making this clear I didn't want to troll that's why i only asked a question and didn't make any half assed comments like some people do. Thanks for your hard work and dedication!

[Flaymar]

all good mate =)

[Ratto]

keep the good job Flaymar.

im still waiting for the Ranged Raid Build

[Blays]

Im not sure if that Sab spec is the best to use. Didnt they fix BD bug in 1.3?

Im pretty sure this is a more common spec which also happen to have more mobility
http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=1M....ymMfEbxkoRz.M

im pulling over 1.3k with it in raids.

[Seyon]

Im not sure if that Sab spec is the best to use. Didnt they fix BD bug in 1.3?

Im pretty sure this is a more common spec which also happen to have more mobility
http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=1M....ymMfEbxkoRz.M

im pulling over 1.3k with it in raids.

im using sabdancer and the spec i mentioned (they made us change our rotation in 1.3 to what i said above) and pulling 1.7k on raids in T2 gear. its still pretty nice

[Blays]

im using sabdancer and the spec i mentioned (they made us change our rotation in 1.3 to what i said above) and pulling 1.7k on raids in T2 gear. its still pretty nice

You dont mean plutonus do you? Can that spec pull 1.7k on lets say Galenir?
If so i guess ill have to look into it again. Alltho something doesnt look kosher here

[Seyon]

plutonus is the general combat dummy fight, allowing you to test each build on an equal ground. other fights are "x% away from perfect" where diffrent builds will take more or less of a hit. obviously on a fight where i have to stay at range for long periods of time then 44 sab would do better, but in a fight where both can DPS to their full potential, i do much better with sabdancer. yes, i will do less DPS on a boss where i have less energy regeneration, thats obvious :P 17.3k on plutonus (cipher filtered out), 15k on warmaster, both in T2 gear (with a GP belt)