The Hoko spec 1.0 (1990dps plutonus with parse)

[Hokonoso]

Screenshot of the parser. Didn't get to edit last post in time

http://s486.photobucket.com/albums/r...sSupremacy.jpg

It's done with dual skillbreakdown cause a guildie wanted to check what the difference was and how he ended up that much below me.

it's been noted that sabodancer will beat this spec when your gear is better than your weapons but the other is true when your weapons are better than your gear. going up to relic daggers does not increase sabodancer much at all, but it adds 150-300dps in the hoko spec, this is why ppl are getting 2k+ parses with sabodancer without a relic weapon and thinking it is the best, yet havent seen one break 2200 with relics yet and im still waiting.

[potis]

it's been noted that sabodancer will beat this spec when your gear is better than your weapons but the other is true when your weapons are better than your gear. going up to relic daggers does not increase sabodancer much at all, but it adds 150-300dps in the hoko spec, this is why ppl are getting 2k+ parses with sabodancer without a relic weapon and thinking it is the best, yet havent seen one break 2200 with relics yet and im still waiting.

The only different the melee ranger and the Sabdancer spec have is facerollness.

Sabdancer is just a bit more faceroll than your spec, yes you can have 1-2 macros, but the fact remains, some fights need the pet to be controlled, others require a bit smarter play with Deadly Strike + Trick Shot etc etc etc making it "annoying" for those fights..Doesnt mean it CANT be played there.

I can pull 2.1k with Sabdancer with the fang of the life lord..Could it be more with the melee ranger? Maybe, adding weeping edge and perfect situation where i dont have to stop dps at 50% or my melee uptime fails a bit cause the tank moved faster/more than usual i could be CLOSE to 2.2k i guess but that doesnt matter.

Both specs are equally strong right now and thats the point.

Only reason i truly prefer the sabo spec(s) and wont change it..even my secondary spec is 44 sabo is simply because its this:

A huge faceroll ;D

I am a raid leader, i am used to babysit my raid and call out stuff repeatedly to avoid failures because someone talked to their wife or looked at the television and other similar stuff.

The facerollness that the sabo specs provide cant be beaten by any spec and they can pull close/as high dps.

As example, i can easily use Sabdancer on Herald and pull an insane number.. or your spec to ST him, but i prefer 44 sabo there..Why? Firstly..Incriminate + bombs as they appear = pure win..I make sure that silence is down when adds move to make sure some warrior didnt fail, i also stun the adds at around ~10% and if the dps is high they die without exploding and another similar stuff, making sure there wont be a wipe as a good babysitter ;O,

Your spec is awesome but Sabo is too much of a faceroll to give up in most cases and thats the only reason not to play the melee ranger.

Its whatever someone wants to play as long as they arent being carried or useless to their raid really ;o

You love the melee ranger idea? Awesome..Play it 24/7!

You love the 31/18/17 ? Awesome, you wont pull 2.1k and above but you will be around 1.9k or so.

Its how obsessed people are xD

[heyhomes]

Can you start filtering out shocking cipher dear rogues please, its not hard I will show you how if your using ACT.

Its bothering me to read all these 2K dps reports when infact shocking cipher is around 200-500 dps added on.

So in ACT head to options > find data correction > find ability redirrect > type in Shocking Cipher , next box type in Plutonus the Immortal (make it any type) thats it.

Next time you kill him check the dps instead of all these 1900 dps you will see the true dps 1600-1700. Sadly I got beaten by a mage this week with his filtered 1639 dps! Last week only pulled 1530 with x2 T2 daggers, this week with foul stinger 1565 (pet didn't get buffed tho)

[potis]

Can you start filtering out shocking cipher dear rogues please, its not hard I will show you how if your using ACT.

Its bothering me to read all these 2K dps reports when infact shocking cipher is around 200-500 dps added on.

So in ACT head to options > find data correction > find ability redirrect > type in Shocking Cipher , next box type in Plutonus the Immortal (make it any type) thats it.

Next time you kill him check the dps instead of all these 1900 dps you will see the true dps 1600-1700. Sadly I got beaten by a mage this week with his filtered 1639 dps! Last week only pulled 1530 with x2 T2 daggers, this week with foul stinger 1565 (pet didn't get buffed tho)

Do you really believe..Rogues no..not only rogues..Players that are posting in these forums since day 1, figuring specs and trying to help the rest of the rogues/players arent removing the Cipher?

I mean ..Sigh!

With the cipher added it would be reporting 2.5k not 2.1k.

Just becasue you cant/dont have the gear to do it, doesnt mean others cant.

[retylon]

Can you start filtering out shocking cipher dear rogues please, its not hard I will show you how if your using ACT.

Its bothering me to read all these 2K dps reports when infact shocking cipher is around 200-500 dps added on.

So in ACT head to options > find data correction > find ability redirrect > type in Shocking Cipher , next box type in Plutonus the Immortal (make it any type) thats it.

Next time you kill him check the dps instead of all these 1900 dps you will see the true dps 1600-1700. Sadly I got beaten by a mage this week with his filtered 1639 dps! Last week only pulled 1530 with x2 T2 daggers, this week with foul stinger 1565 (pet didn't get buffed tho)

Do you see Shocking Cipher among the skill breakdown ? If not, then it is removed. And I don't think anyone would post a parser including SC without clearly stating it is included. If you don't think a player can go over 1600-1700 dps on Plutonus I feel sorry for your guild man

[Hokonoso]

Can you start filtering out shocking cipher dear rogues please, its not hard I will show you how if your using ACT.

Its bothering me to read all these 2K dps reports when infact shocking cipher is around 200-500 dps added on.

So in ACT head to options > find data correction > find ability redirrect > type in Shocking Cipher , next box type in Plutonus the Immortal (make it any type) thats it.

Next time you kill him check the dps instead of all these 1900 dps you will see the true dps 1600-1700. Sadly I got beaten by a mage this week with his filtered 1639 dps! Last week only pulled 1530 with x2 T2 daggers, this week with foul stinger 1565 (pet didn't get buffed tho)

can you please read the parse before posting? if you clicked the links that i provided you would see shocking cipher is NOT in the list. but thx for showing others how to remove cipher, it is very easy and i even think the new update does it automatically, but the rest of us have been taking it out since our very first plutonus kill many moons ago.

[Ultrashock34]

Can you start filtering out shocking cipher dear rogues please, its not hard I will show you how if your using ACT.

Its bothering me to read all these 2K dps reports when infact shocking cipher is around 200-500 dps added on.

There should be some type of literacy test to post on these forums. Just because you're bad doesn't mean the rest of us are.

[Jack Greed]

Can you start filtering out shocking cipher dear rogues please, its not hard I will show you how if your using ACT.

Its bothering me to read all these 2K dps reports when infact shocking cipher is around 200-500 dps added on.

So in ACT head to options > find data correction > find ability redirrect > type in Shocking Cipher , next box type in Plutonus the Immortal (make it any type) thats it.

Next time you kill him check the dps instead of all these 1900 dps you will see the true dps 1600-1700. Sadly I got beaten by a mage this week with his filtered 1639 dps! Last week only pulled 1530 with x2 T2 daggers, this week with foul stinger 1565 (pet didn't get buffed tho)

So I'll post you a parse where cipher ISN'T filtered out.
http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/fivg...lipboard01.jpg

I hope you notice how completely ******ed your post was.

[Amonkira]

This specc has to be quite far behind the sabodancer specc I'm using. I just pulled off 1990 dps on Plutonus. Will post parser here later when my mate uploads it on our forums. Did just install ACT myself so that includes Shocking Cipher since I didn't know how to remove that :/

I know people have always said that Hoko's is easy and not better then SaboDancer but I think people don't understand how much of a difference it is. Haven't tried playing Hoko's for a while but people say it requires tons of gear. I imagine the difference between these speccs to be around 10%+ and that is a huge difference if you like to min/max. But if you like an easy specc that is still melee though go for Hoko's! Me myself hate pets more then anything though.


We didn't use banner or legendary philter of power. Just all the raidbuffs along with 2 x +12whetstones , cupcake, elder tablet, poisonous coating(Ordinary stuff).


Specc: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...0VRcxcb.VV0I0R

Probably well-known specc but some people tend to go for 3/3 combat effiecency and lose out on 3% dex(which is not needed if you use a tablet) and use 5/5 improved detonate which is less dps then 4/5 and use one in Charge Booster. That last part is only like a 9-15 dps increase atm for me though but still an increase.

My gear is:
t3helm
marauders shoulders
****ty t2 dungeon chest Energized tunic
Razorthorn Belt
Trousers of Craving (GP i think)
rank 5 boots, gloves and both rings
Codex trinket
Runebound Necklace
Full AP sigil and Mortuous Shadeshard as the only greater

My weapons is Stiletto of the Serpent(33.6dps) Blade of the Architect(29.2dps) and Gilded Greatbow of the Mountain.

If that gear can pull off over 2k dps with a banner, imagine what the specc could do with 2 relicdaggers(weeping procc alone getting over 2050dps). My guess would be at least 2200dps, and even more so with more t3 parts since my chest is ridicilously bad and shoulders/legs is a good bit below wanted level of gear. But after seeing 30+ relics (few of our clerics have 3 relics each even for freaking offspecs) and not a single dagger I'm starting to wonder if there will ever be one before HK is on farm.

Mind if I ask, what your rotation is? You can just PM me if you want.

[Tigruz]

it's been noted that sabodancer will beat this spec when your gear is better than your weapons but the other is true when your weapons are better than your gear. going up to relic daggers does not increase sabodancer much at all, but it adds 150-300dps in the hoko spec, this is why ppl are getting 2k+ parses with sabodancer without a relic weapon and thinking it is the best, yet havent seen one break 2200 with relics yet and im still waiting.

Our one rogue could have broken 2.2K but not a single person in raid stopped the parse on time so it ran over a few seconds so he ended with 2164 and another rogue was at 2050.

Hopefully that was our last kill, but if we do have 1 more whirl at him our rogue will break 2.2K.

The one rogue who was at 2164 has the FotLL, Verdant Bow, rank 6 necklace, Shining Darkness ring, R5 ring, codex trinket, as well as full durnes gear to give you a picture of what he is working with.

[Outofmana]

@Amonkira

I tried your build but never got more then ~1400.
What rotation do you use? Mind if I ask (too) for..?
Macros etc. would be interesting as well.

[Cristellia]

@Amonkira

I tried your build but never got more then ~1400.
What rotation do you use? Mind if I ask (too) for..?
Macros etc. would be interesting as well.

http://forums.riftgame.com/showthrea...ated-for-1.3#4



Raiding Rogue Melle Build


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Sab / BD - Solid AOE and Single Target
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Build

Melle sab is a great versatile build, will produce nice dps in most situations, the rotation is nice and easy, and the play style is great.
http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...0VRcxcb.VV0G0s (thanks Seyon)

Macros

Incriminate Macro

#show Incriminate
/cast @focustarget Incriminate


Bar Setup

1. Spike Charge
2. Shrapnel Charge
3. Deadly Strike
4. Puncture
5. Detonate
6. Incriminate Macro
7. Weapon Barrage

2nd Bar
1. Embers Charge
2. Fragmentation Bomb
3. Chemical Bomb
4. Blade Tempo
4. Side Steps


Rotations and Playstyle

Firstly Blade Tempo should be utilised when it can be benefited the most, often you will use when ever off CD however i have not made it apart of normal rotation.

Open with 5x Spike Charges, Often pre Engaging, Be careful not to pull aggro from tank, may be a good time to use Incriminate macro also.

Boss will have 5 Combo Points and 5 Charges on it pre battle.

New 1.3 Rotation from Dinadass:

Preload 5x Spike Charges
Then Deadly Strike, Puncture, Spike Charge, Detonate

Then repeat this:
5x Shrapnel Charge, Detonate
3x Spike Charge, Puncture, Deadly Strike, 2x Spike Charge, Detonate

AOE Rotation
5x Shrapnel Charge, Detonate
3x Shrap Charge, Puncture, Deadly Strike, 2x Shrap Charge, Detonate

Key points to Keep in mind
Incriminate is very powerful and should be used to help tanks on some encounters, and as a general rule to help tanks when you first engage.
Use Blade Tempo on Opening and when ever off cool down
Bombs + Incriminate can help tanks pickup loose adds
Side Steps if you get aggro, keep in mind this will give you exhaustion and will prevent you from using Blade Tempo till its off.

Downfalls of this build over Ranged Sabo Build
No silence, in a few fights Carpet Bombing + Silence is required
The obvious downfalls of Melee apposed to Ranged

Self buffs

Lethal Poison
Virulent Poison
Combat Pose


Raiding Gear

This is covered more in BiS gear Lists, however as a general Rule
Highest Melle DPS Daggers
Saga of Endless Bow for stats

Sidenote- You can remove the +hit from talents and put into Quick Reflexes if over hit cap, but may not be worth it.

[Luq]

Hit 1750 on old pluto the other night which i was very happy about but i wondered if someone could add sum input regarding my sigil.

Would a combo of Greater Essences from the inscribed sourcestone vendor: Tactical Soulstone (+73 to backstab) and Ambidextrous Soulstone (+30 to Quick Strike) make my dps skyrocket or would it be better to slot 6 lessers or choose just 1 greater and if so which one?

2 inscribed sourcestones greaters sounds sick but is it actually?

[Luq]

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[Tigruz]

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Those greaters are kind of trash. The two lessers would be better to have instead of those greaters.