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    Default Why cant i kill heals

    What am i doing wrong that I cant kill anything that can heal itself? Now im only lvl 25 so will this change at 50, but right now im a sin rogue who after my stuns wear off if there not dead they just heal up.

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    Welcome to why Rift pvp is horrible. Enjoy the low level pvp because it only gets worse.

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    Heals is not for killing!

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    I actually found it hilarious trying to kill a cleric solo on my rogue alt, which is in blue gear at the top of the bracket. I think I chased the cleric around for about 2-3 minutes bursting as much as possible with barbed shot, strafe, rapid fire shot, deadeye/empowered shots, etc. During all that time that cleric was able to stay alive while on the move, only using instant casts, and only barely lost half her MP bar.


    And that's with fully runed gear, the bow from the lv33 RoS event chest which is great for the 30's bracket, etc. And sure, marksmen don't have any CC which could have helped, but imagine having to stand still to cast or having to be in melee range while doing the same sh*t... rofl. I don't really care about the PvP in lower brackets but that doesn't stop it from being one of the most ret***ed things I've ever seen in an MMO.


    I think everyone already stopped expecting Trion to be even remotely competent when it comes to PvP balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wutangkilla View Post
    What am i doing wrong that I cant kill anything that can heal itself? Now im only lvl 25 so will this change at 50, but right now im a sin rogue who after my stuns wear off if there not dead they just heal up.
    It's called karma.

    Kill a healer, it'll come back to haunt you. :P

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    Any heal debuffs in that rotation? If not, I don't see how you'd expect to kill him on your own.

    By instant casts, do you mean HoT spells? If so, if you're high enough to spec into eradicate, he'd fold like paper by yourself alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevyne View Post
    It's called karma.

    Kill a healer, it'll come back to haunt you. :P
    Lol thats pretty funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xasapis View Post
    Any heal debuffs in that rotation? If not, I don't see how you'd expect to kill him on your own.

    By instant casts, do you mean HoT spells? If so, if you're high enough to spec into eradicate, he'd fold like paper by yourself alone.
    I dont have any heal debuffs as of now and no there not hots its full cast but problem is i only have the one stun foul play and my opener which normally if foul play lands gets them pretty close to dead but if it doesnt they just heal away and i dont have anyway to stop it.

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    If it makes you feel any better, I can't kill rogues when my cleric is in pure heal spec. In fact, I can't kill ANYTHING in heal spec.

    Is the cleric you're trying to kill possibly a tank spec? Those admittedly are hard to kill as they should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wutangkilla View Post
    I dont have any heal debuffs as of now and no there not hots its full cast but problem is i only have the one stun foul play and my opener which normally if foul play lands gets them pretty close to dead but if it doesnt they just heal away and i dont have anyway to stop it.
    In case of full heals the heal debuffs do miracles.

    I believe most people that come into PvP have certain misconceptions about how they should handle certain things. A good deal of damage dealers spec for their max damage build and think they can cover pretty much every situation in a warfront. Unfortunately that is not true vs specialised builds and coordinated teams.

    The thing is, the majority of good healers are not build for max HPS, something that you'd expect vs a PvE target like a dungeon or raid boss tank healing scenario. They are build with survivability in mind first, healing output second. Which means that whoever wants to tackles them needs to specialise as well. And a specialisation towards heal debuffs is one that make sense not only when people want to kill a healer, but also when they are trying to focus kill somebody that is focused healed as well.

    So, if you see that you're in a warfront where your opponents have too much healing but not much dps, it makes sense to switch to a heal debuff build that will cut the heal output at least in half and give your superior damage team an even bigger advantage.
    Last edited by Xasapis; 06-07-2011 at 03:24 AM.

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    dont think rogues can access their heal debuffs at level 25 can they?

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    u can kill healers at lvl 50 when u have some decent gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasorine View Post
    dont think rogues can access their heal debuffs at level 25 can they?
    Nope. But with 32. I switched from MM/NB to NB/MM by then and I ate healers easily. You won't pwn a lvl 39 cleric who knows what he's doing (as long as you're 32 ^^ once I reached 39 I killed them all), but most healers in this bracket think they are invincible. And noone actually brings healing debuffs most of the time. I slaughtered so many of them... and you will always (ALWAYS!) at least force them to run and just focus on themselves. No way they outlive your assault and easily heal others, like they do later on with valor gear and templar skills.

    Of course you have to be "skilled". Just standing there and pushing your buttons won't do it. Use all your stuff (my NB/MM has a freaking lot of bars filled with keybinds, it's a pain actually ^^) and you are a damn force to be reckoned with. Additionally you can also ignore healers and tell your team to focus on the carrier or whatever because they won't heal through Fel Blades. Too damn powerful in this level.

    Oh and I actually played a cleric in the same bracket recently. I encountered mostly nubcake rogues, but this one guy, also running Fel Blades, slaughtered me a whole freaking day in every warfront and won the match for his team - one after another. Just like I have done with my rogue :P

    However, if you don't feel like going NB (might even pair it with assasin or something if you don't like MM for whatever reasons) bashing on clerics is always a good idea. Even if you fail to actually kill him, you should be able to distract him long enough to have an impact on the match.

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    I need to get better weapons as well but as u probably know finding a group either in chat or with the lfg is a pain in the ***. My gear is pretty good mostly blues but my dagger and axe need upgrading and that might help. Also i should probably look at trying another spec like nightblade as someone suggested, but i just love assassin so much stealth is what got me into gaming.

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    Healing is overpowered in low-level WFs because heal debuffs are either inaccessible or people don't actually spec them. To the OP - the problem isn't that you can't kill a healer alone, it's that SEVERAL players focus-firing him can't do the trick either (if he's good). In the 10-29 level bracket the only accessible heal debuff I'm aware of is Lingering Wounds (requires 17 points in Champion), but there are almost no warriors in this bracket and the little I've seen are mostly bad.

    A couple days ago I played some matches in Black Garden against a melee cleric, don't know his spec but he was ridiculous - topped damage done and damage taken in each and every WF, charged a bunch of players alone and just shrugged off their focus-firing. At one moment 5 or 6 players, me included, focus-fired him and he just ran away, healing himself from time to time. Couldn't even lower him below 50 % So we tried to ignore him and it turned out that when he wasn't tanking like a beast and self-healing, he was hitting like a ton of bricks with a fockin' huge warhammer

    The good news is, WFs in these brackets aren't particularly important anyway, you are supposed to play them just for fun and to learn/research builds with your character - and healing becomes more balanced when more heal debuffs enter the scene later on.

    Until you encounter pvp rank 6 healers, that is.


    @Wutangkilla - with Nightblade/Marksman you also get stealth and can open up from 20 m range. And have no issues with kiting. And not get insta-focused by the whole team. If it's a group fight and you're rolling with a gun instead of bow, people usually don't even realize what's happening until it's too late (healers not included, of course). You only lose the movement speed buff while stealthed so you have to use it more situationally and generally when you are closer to the enemy, but still... In my experience MM/Nightblade is a MUCH better assassin in the 20-29 bracket than an actual Assassin. This might change later on, though.
    Last edited by Milen; 06-07-2011 at 04:17 AM.
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