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    Default I am a rogue, and I want eradicate nerfed into the ground.

    Marksman has turned into a no-skill catch all counter class to anything that uses a self buff of any sort to operate. It's so good that I've been forced out of my other builds in favor of it. I didn't sympathize with the clerics until I realized that eradicate has rendered Riftstalkers unplayable in Warfronts, too. (With the exception of Port Scion.)

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    It does hurt other rogues the most since the only rogue spec that has enough trash buffs to protect real buffs is marksmanlol.

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    Ok now what role do you really play - fess up

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    I could see it only removing one buff and having a 5s CD if it used any sort of intelligence when cast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fujitasix View Post
    I could see it only removing one buff and having a 5s CD if it used any sort of intelligence when cast.
    I am a rogue as well and I think that it should only remove one buff and have maybe a 10-15 sec cooldown.
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    i think it should be nerfed, then buffed in the same retrospect.

    it shouldn't have no cooldown, or it shouldn't be castable at max range... one or the other.

    it should however give a combopoint, or, if the cooldown was drastically increased to something like 10 or 15 seconds, give 2 combopoints.

    something similar to the vk shear would be comparable too.
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    I am a Rogue, and I stopped using Eradicate in my MM build.

    Against really strong players/teams, it won't matter.

    Against average or weak players/teams, I don't need it.
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    You play riftstalker in warfronts?

    So what? Just a flag runner or you like being an active afker?
    Tank specs should have a counter when running flags. This includes guardian phase and mien of leadership.

    People act like MM is the only purger out there, Vks, inquis, necro, all got purge and all are common as mud. Not to mention cleric and mage pvp souls just got purges as well.

    Why don't you whinge about all the other purges people are using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyebane View Post
    You play riftstalker in warfronts?

    So what? Just a flag runner or you like being an active afker?
    Tank specs should have a counter when running flags. This includes guardian phase and mien of leadership.
    this is exactly what it is, the OP probably was trying to exploit the rifstalker bullcrap in whitefall and got his buffs stripped, so he was actually killable.

    and no it shouldn't have a cooldown because its a 44 point aibility when other classes have buff purges with cooldowns at 9-11 point commitment.

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    The real problem I see is the fact that Core mechanics get removed and warden can only wait for his dead when a MM start using eradicate.

    I don't use Eradicate on my rogue either. I usually play Bladedancer in PvP as I love bladedancer mechanics, but when I play MM I don't want to be the ****** who remove Lifegiving veil or Cavalier or Righteous mandate or any other kind of core mechanics and things that should not be dispeallable.
    HoT's, stats boost long buffs and low duration buffs should be the only thing that should be dispelled. Not aspects, not ways, not armors, not anything else. And eradicate should not remove 2 of them as well as having a higher cost in energy for it to be situational like removing the innervate like ability of warden (Forgot the name) or Fae hammer, or whatever other short duration buff you really want to remove as it would change the tide of the fight entirely. (Best example would probably be removing something like the 100% crit chance on all melee attacks for 7 seconds from the shaman or an instant cinderburst buff)
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    I don't think buff removal spam is a good mechanic either. Guild Wars started doing that back in the day, and eventually ended up with so much buff removal that they had to make a class with skills based on their buffs being removed .. and it just didn't mesh all that well. wasn't that fun either, and didn't help the original classes one bit.

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    10 points in archmage soul and i have a purge that dispels 3 buffs while doing dmg as well. QQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apoth View Post
    and no it shouldn't have a cooldown because its a 44 point aibility when other classes have buff purges with cooldowns at 9-11 point commitment.
    I keep seeing people say this like it's supposed to mean something. If you invest 44 points in to a tree for a SINGLE skill then that's proof the skill is OP.

    There isn't a single cleric 44 point skill that is "great." Heck, our shaman 44 point is the exact same thing as our Inquisitor 16 point skill.

    If this argument of yours is valid then I demand a rework of cleric 44 points to negate other callings. How about we start with the Inquisitor 44 point skill. Increase the damage so each tick is ~400 damage instead of ~40 and REALLY punish the melee for hitting me, or make it work like Dark Armor for Warlocks which is better and they get for 4 points. (I hope you understand I'm not serious here)

    Just bring Eradicate more in line with every other purge already in the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unspecified View Post
    I keep seeing people say this like it's supposed to mean something. If you invest 44 points in to a tree for a SINGLE skill then that's proof the skill is OP.

    There isn't a single cleric 44 point skill that is "great." Heck, our shaman 44 point is the exact same thing as our Inquisitor 16 point skill.

    If this argument of yours is valid then I demand a rework of cleric 44 points to negate other callings. How about we start with the Inquisitor 44 point skill. Increase the damage so each tick is ~400 damage instead of ~40 and REALLY punish the melee for hitting me, or make it work like Dark Armor for Warlocks which is better and they get for 4 points. (I hope you understand I'm not serious here)

    Just bring Eradicate more in line with every other purge already in the game.
    Forgot to mention at least 5 of the cleric 44 points can be purged and made useless. Does yours have a 1 CD spammable counter available to every class?
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    for the OP, Eradicate is not over powered because you have to commit most of your skill points into the MM tree. Most of these people you are talking about dont know how to play MM. I play 2 diffrent MM specs which have the same exact DPS one being a 51 MM for stationary fighting and one being a 44 MM for mobility. If the player dosnt know how to play then all he has is eradicate and tbh.. in a wf.. that player is dead weight.

    Tbh, Deaden is more OP then eradicate. Stripping a healers buffs vs hitting there cast with deaden, deaden wins every time.
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