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    Default PVE DPS Spec: NB / BD / Sin

    So I've been playing around with a couple of specs, and this one keeps coming out on top. Feedback would be much appreciated! Still hoping to improve my spec.

    Also do note that I have not included Nightstalker in this build. Blazing Strike, Dusk Strike and Twilight Force are only doing about 30% of my total DPS, so I didn't think it's worth it. Might need further testing (can't be done on dummies).

    Rotations

    Using 2 macros for this build.

    Macro 1
    #show Puncture
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Weapon Barrage
    cast Puncture
    cast Twilight Force
    cast Quick Strike
    cast Keen Strike
    cast Fiery Spike

    Macro 2
    #show Precision Strike
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Weapon Barrage
    cast Precision Strike
    cast Dusk Strike
    cast Quick Strike
    cast Keen Strike
    cast Fiery Spike

    Opening
    Open with Dark Malady -> Twilight Force - Fiery Spike - Fiery Spike - Blazing Strike

    This will give you 3 stacks of Fiery Spike and a combopoint on your target (Lingering Flame). Also gives tank some time to build aggro.

    Spam Macro 1 till 5 combopoints -> Finisher
    Spam Macro 2 till 5 combopoints -> Finisher

    Finisher Priorities:
    #1 Scourge of Darkness (huge damage and burst)
    #2 Keep Dauntless Strike up (if there are no other +crit buffs that don't stack with it)
    #3 Blazing Strike (normal finisher)

    After using #1 and #2, you will need to manually cast 1 Fiery Spike to keep it up.

    Other Priorities
    #1 Ebon Fury - Use it whenever you can - spam Macro 2
    #2 Blade Tempo - Use it whenever you can - normal rotation

    Buffs
    #1 Combat Pose (+40 Dex)
    #2 Lethal Poison (+5% crit poison)
    #3 Hellfire Blades (+5% dmg proc)

    Stats
    After parsing for 13 minutes and 21 seconds, I had a steady DPS of 753 with around 45% critrate.

    Using two 29.2 DPS weapons. Full T2 equipped, except for 4 Essences.
    458 Attack Power
    34.4% Crit (plus an additional 10 from Poison + Dauntless)

    Damage Output
    http://img820.imageshack.us/i/statsci.jpg


    NOTE
    Make sure you have Weapon Barrage, Dusk Strike and Precision Strike somewhere on your skillbars. You ask why?
    1. Weapon Barrage does not have a GCD, but it still takes a click off your macro. This way, you can see when you need to press your macro twice.
    2. Precision Strike and Dusk Strike, nice to see if it's off cooldown + if it's available.
    Also, if there's no energy cost buff (Bard / Chloro) you may have to wait for 40 energy sometimes for Dusk and Precision.
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    post a link to your build. how am i supposed to critique it, if i don't know what you got (besides not putting points in nightstalker)

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    really wouldn't recommend putting puncture/dusk on a macro......
    it becomes a wasted combo point if the mob has 4 pts built up already and u cast either of those 2 pt generators

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    Odd, I was quite sure the spec was in the first post.

    Spec: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=1M...zhqL0o.0VRcx0b


    Quote Originally Posted by solaraz View Post
    really wouldn't recommend putting puncture/dusk on a macro......
    it becomes a wasted combo point if the mob has 4 pts built up already and u cast either of those 2 pt generators
    With my rotation, you never waste a 2cp builder.
    Last edited by Cinerus; 04-27-2011 at 02:11 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinerus View Post
    Odd, I was quite sure the spec was in the first post.

    Spec: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=1M...zhqL0o.0VRcx0b




    With my rotation, you never waste a 2cp builder.
    i'm tired of people saying that.
    Rotation on a target dummy =/= actual fight

    There are soooo many variables that can make up your rotation in a fight, there shouldnt even be a rotation but a PRIORITY LIST.

    switching targets and refreshing your fiery spikes or putting them back up.

    Putting DS and Puncture on the same macro gives you more potential for failure, just keep it off a macro, its not hard to track 2 short duration CDs.

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    Not having nightstalker and using dauntless/dex buff inflate the dps of this build on a dummy. It might appear to be stronger by parsing higher on the dummy but in a raid setting other builds can top it.

    I would recommend using smoldering blades over virulent. Up until yesterday I used the same build. I ended up switching out using keen/quick/precision for backstab spam and noticed a significant dps increase. Although part of my increase was taking out nightstalker points. Other than backstab, the only difference is that I have 0 in blazing strike crit and 2 in heat retention. I put the extra 2 points into eventide. I'm still not positive if eventide is worth it or not.

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    I use something similar for 5 mans.....

    http://seelenplaner.telara.net/#rogu...0,050005005003

    Buffs:
    Smoldering Blades
    Hellfire Blades
    Combat Pose (won't be able to use in a raid because of bard buffs)

    Skills on Bar:
    Any Key - Conceal
    1 key - Spam Macro
    2 key - Fiery Spike
    3 key - 2 pt Macro
    4 key - Finisher Macro
    5 key - Twin Strike (Small AOE Pack)
    6 key - Compound Attack (Small AOE Pack)
    7 key - AOE Macro (Large AOE Pack)

    Mouse button 1 - Ebon Fury Macro
    Mouse button 2 - Oh Crap Macro

    Rotations:

    Conceal->
    Dark Malady, Fiery Spike, 2 pt Macro, Finisher Macro (Scourge)

    Fiery Spike, Spam to 3 points, 2 pt Macro, Finisher Macro (Blazing)

    Spam to 3 points, 2 pt Macro, Finisher Macro (Blazing)

    Spam to 3 points, 2 pt Macro, Finisher Macro (Scourge)

    Fiery Spike, Spam to 3 points, 2 pt Macro, Finisher Macro (Blazing)


    Ebon Fury Rotation:
    When the mob has 1 combo point on it (Fiery Spike)
    Hit Ebon Fury Macro until 5 combo points, Finisher Macro (for 15 seconds until the buff fades)

    Macros:
    1 - Spam Macro
    #show Twilight Force
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Precision Strike
    cast Twilight Force
    cast Quick Strike
    cast Backstab
    cast Keen Strike
    cast Fiery Spike
    cast Blade Tempo
    cast Weapon Barrage

    3 - 2 pt. Macro
    #show puncture
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Precision Strike
    cast puncture
    cast dusk strike

    4 - Finisher Macro
    #show Scourge of Darkness
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Scourge of Darkness
    cast blazing strike

    7 - AOE Macro
    #show fiery chains
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast weapon flare
    cast fiery chains

    Mouse button 1 - Ebon Fury Macro
    #show Ebon Fury
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Dusk Strike
    cast Ebon Fury

    Mouse button 2 - Oh Crap Macro
    #show twilight shelter
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast twilight shelter
    cast Side Steps

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    Here is the one I use for Raiding content

    http://seelenplaner.telara.net/#rogu...00221;35,05001

    Buffs:
    Smoldering Blades
    Hellfire Blades
    Predatory Instincts

    Skills on Bar:
    Any Key - Conceal
    1 key - Spam Macro
    2 key - Fiery Spike
    3 key - 2 pt Macro
    4 key - Finisher Macro
    5 key - AOE Macro
    Mouse button 1 - Ebon Fury
    Mouse button 2 - Oh Crap Macro

    Rotations:

    Conceal->
    Dark Malady, Fiery Spike, 2 pt Macro, Finisher Macro (Scourge)

    Fiery Spike, Spam Macro, 2 pt Macro, Finisher Macro (Blazing)

    Spam macro, Spam Macro, 2 pt Macro, Finisher Macro (Blazing)

    Spam macro, Spam Macro, 2 pt Macro, Finisher Macro (Scourge)

    Fiery Spike, Spam macro, 2 pt Macro, Finisher Macro (Blazing)


    Ebon Fury Rotation:
    When the mob has 1 combo point on it (Fiery Spike)
    Hit Ebon Fury
    2 pt Macro, 2 pt Macro, Finisher Macro (for 15 seconds until the buff fades)


    Macros:
    1 - Spam Macro
    #show Twilight Force
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast twilight force
    cast backstab
    cast savage strike
    cast quick shot
    cast fiery spike

    3 - 2 pt. Macro
    #show puncture
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast puncture
    cast dusk strike

    4 - Finisher Macro
    #show Scourge of Darkness
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Scourge of Darkness
    cast blazing strike
    cast head shot

    5 - AOE Macro
    #show fiery chains
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast weapon flare
    cast fiery chains

    Mouse button 2 - Oh Crap Macro
    #show Twilight Transcendence
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast twilight transcendence
    cast twilight shelter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoma View Post

    The hybrid build I posted suits my play for 5 mans, it is nothing special. I drew most of the inspiration for this from the post you linked.

    I use the 39 nightblade spec I posted above for raids though, best performance I have achieved with my gear.
    Last edited by Kinien; 04-27-2011 at 05:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinien View Post
    I use something similar for 5 mans.....

    http://seelenplaner.telara.net/#rogu...0,050005005003

    Buffs:
    Smoldering Blades
    Hellfire Blades
    Combat Pose (won't be able to use in a raid because of bard buffs)

    Skills on Bar:
    Any Key - Conceal
    1 key - Spam Macro
    2 key - Fiery Spike
    3 key - 2 pt Macro
    4 key - Finisher Macro
    5 key - Twin Strike (Small AOE Pack)
    6 key - Compound Attack (Small AOE Pack)
    7 key - AOE Macro (Large AOE Pack)

    Mouse button 1 - Ebon Fury Macro
    Mouse button 2 - Oh Crap Macro

    Rotations:

    Conceal->
    Dark Malady, Fiery Spike, 2 pt Macro, Finisher Macro (Scourge)

    Fiery Spike, Spam to 3 points, 2 pt Macro, Finisher Macro (Blazing)

    Spam to 3 points, 2 pt Macro, Finisher Macro (Blazing)

    Spam to 3 points, 2 pt Macro, Finisher Macro (Scourge)

    Fiery Spike, Spam to 3 points, 2 pt Macro, Finisher Macro (Blazing)


    Ebon Fury Rotation:
    When the mob has 1 combo point on it (Fiery Spike)
    Hit Ebon Fury Macro until 5 combo points, Finisher Macro (for 15 seconds until the buff fades)

    Macros:
    1 - Spam Macro
    #show Twilight Force
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Precision Strike
    cast Twilight Force
    cast Quick Strike
    cast Backstab
    cast Keen Strike
    cast Fiery Spike
    cast Blade Tempo
    cast Weapon Barrage

    3 - 2 pt. Macro
    #show puncture
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Precision Strike
    cast puncture
    cast dusk strike

    4 - Finisher Macro
    #show Scourge of Darkness
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Scourge of Darkness
    cast blazing strike

    7 - AOE Macro
    #show fiery chains
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast weapon flare
    cast fiery chains

    Mouse button 1 - Ebon Fury Macro
    #show Ebon Fury
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Dusk Strike
    cast Ebon Fury

    Mouse button 2 - Oh Crap Macro
    #show twilight shelter
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast twilight shelter
    cast Side Steps
    I screwed up a macro in here, remove Blade Tempo

    1 - Spam Macro
    #show Twilight Force
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Precision Strike
    cast Twilight Force
    cast Quick Strike
    cast Backstab
    cast Keen Strike
    cast Fiery Spike
    cast Weapon Barrage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinerus View Post
    Odd, I was quite sure the spec was in the first post.

    Spec: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=1M...zhqL0o.0VRcx0b




    With my rotation, you never waste a 2cp builder.
    it should be
    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=1M...zhqL0o.0VRcx0b

    u have twilight force in your rotation.

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