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    how can we stop all these rogue QQ'ers from ruining all the skill it takes to play the class in pvp....Arena is the answer trion. i know on the WoW forums everyone that complains cant hit 1800. thats why blizz dosent listen to them. You guys need to do the same so you can tell how many rogues are doing good and how many are sucking so you can average out the class as a whole and see if it needs buffs. currently as it stands we do not need buffs, but you dont know that because you got the bads uniting on the forums which will end up taking away any skill that the rogue players have. I dont want to be told i win duels cause im a op rogue. i want ppl to go wtf happened i shouldn't lose to a rogue...at least thats what the forums say.
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    If you want Arena, go play WoW. To believe that arena was skill based is kidding yourself also. Arena was based around group make-up more then anything else rather then skill. Arena also killed guild/group based PvP in BG's unless someone needed to grind for off-set pieces. If you really want an Arena system, you know where to find it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calva View Post
    how can we stop all these rogue QQ'ers from ruining all the skill it takes to play the class in pvp....Arena is the answer trion. i know on the WoW forums everyone that complains cant hit 1800. thats why blizz dosent listen to them. You guys need to do the same so you can tell how many rogues are doing good and how many are sucking so you can average out the class as a whole and see if it needs buffs. currently as it stands we do not need buffs, but you dont know that because you got the bads uniting on the forums which will end up taking away any skill that the rogue players have. I dont want to be told i win duels cause im a op rogue. i want ppl to go wtf happened i shouldn't lose to a rogue...at least thats what the forums say.
    Dont worry the PVE rogues are rerolling the PVP rogues are quitting . I dont know what game your playing but in end game there is a massive gap in end game dynamics. rogue is the lowest DPS , its supposrt class does not even come close to the mages, and the tank is a very situational. If your concerned about open world pvp youll probably hold your own as rogue, WF might as well find a way to exploit the AFK system for your ranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wifeagro View Post
    Dont worry the PVE rogues are rerolling the PVP rogues are quitting . I dont know what game your playing but in end game there is a massive gap in end game dynamics. rogue is the lowest DPS , its supposrt class does not even come close to the mages, and the tank is a very situational. If your concerned about open world pvp youll probably hold your own as rogue, WF might as well find a way to exploit the AFK system for your ranks.
    I think a lot of these people who think that the rogue is just as good as any other class just play one of the strong builds (most of which are heavy NB). For example, I decided to try out 51NB/15Inf over the weekend and it stomps faces. 51AS/15Inf doesn't even compare(even with the "oh so ubar perma-stealth that people like to compare to a nuclear weapon). The variations of 32ishAS/32ishNB are probably the closest to it, but again don't compare in the least. It is hard to even come up with a competitive build without using the NB soul...there is just too much good stuff in there, nothing feels like wasted points. As opposed to say Assassin where we probably have a minimum of 4 things that require a lot of points to max out with VERY little return.

    Just like early on in the game. Early on, people were too stupid to see that Sab != Rogues...now they are too stupid to see that NB != Rogues.
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    Lol, If you are not level 50 and atleast rank 3 PLEASE STOP POSTING ON MY FORUMS. Also, If you do NOT run with a premade and are attempting to play a rogue in WFs... Your ******ed. Rogues require a good team to do well. This is true in every single MMO ever. W/o one, we are squishy as hell and are only capable of killing people when we get the jump, or have perfect situations arise.

    I am excited for arenas. I do hope that they implement them as I feel rogues will do very well with their plethora of CC, MSes, Mobility and High Pressure Utility.

    EDIT: @Calo: .................................................. ... The only thing NB is good for is Fell Blades. You are kidding yourself if you think that soul is worth anything outside of that. Living flame requires so many wasted points its silly, and the ability itself is easily shut down by any good player.

    NB: Ill Pop Living Flame and jump into their Back Line.
    RS: Hey look... a NB with all his CDs poped... /cast Rift prison.
    NB: ****!
    RS: Well he's useless for a while now...

    NB has NO hard CC and it will not be viable once people start realizing what to watch for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wifeagro View Post
    Dont worry the PVE rogues are rerolling the PVP rogues are quitting . I dont know what game your playing but in end game there is a massive gap in end game dynamics. rogue is the lowest DPS , its supposrt class does not even come close to the mages, and the tank is a very situational. If your concerned about open world pvp youll probably hold your own as rogue, WF might as well find a way to exploit the AFK system for your ranks.
    Well because of the bugs in PvP, I've given up the ghost there until we see some proper bug fixes, quite happy to go PvE raid with my 51 bard spec, even if it means playing buff bot.

    Oh and I did hit Rank 3 and got enough favor/notoritey to pick up the daggers from the Scion vendor when 1.2 hits.
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    Just like early on in the game. Early on, people were too stupid to see that Sab != Rogues...now they are too stupid to see that NB != Rogues.
    More or less what this guy said.

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    Erm

    Sorry but we pay the same amount as those who rolled mage, warrior, cleric. Why should we expect that we won't get the same enjoyment from the game simply because we happened to choose rogue?

    I'm rank 5, almost rank 6, and I raid GSB regularly. I'm pretty well geared for both pvp and pve sets (not that there's much point in the pvp set tbh) and I have the 40.4 dps rifle from GSB on top of the rest.

    A couple of facts for you:

    In raids, the only real uses for a bard are the runbuff (sometimes) and verse of joy. That is it. Pretty much everything else can be done by a different class, often better, sometimes a little worse but nothing which is noticable for the overall output of the raid.

    Tanking is something i've not experienced myself, but apparently things are ok there, not sure that that's a good thing as such tho, we're rogues, not specialist tanks.

    Dpswise, if your group is decent then you should be sub-par in comparison to anyone else. No argument, no 'it's my leet skills', but simple numbers and simple mathematics. You will do less bang bang. Done.

    In pvp, the rogue has a terrible time of it solo vs pretty much anyone. I've tried many different builds, i prefer ranged characters personally, so I have done a lot with mm/ranger (post sab nerf ofc) and it's crap. Really it's utterly diabolical compared to others, clerics will barely notice you exist after an alpha. Against a pyro you will survive long enough to say 'how did you...' before you die as they see through your very buggy stealth.

    Basically the game shows a lot of promise, but rogues need some very serious attention for it to be worthwhile for us to do anything other than reroll or play as very rarely needed situational tanks.

    People seem to think it's ok that we're in such a messed up state, i'm failing to understand why. It's not about the QQ, it's about the pew pew and there's simply not enough of it from rogues, a class who by very definition, one would assume should be high!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keysaki View Post
    Lol, If you are not level 50 and atleast rank 3 PLEASE STOP POSTING ON MY FORUMS. Also, If you do NOT run with a premade and are attempting to play a rogue in WFs... Your ******ed. Rogues require a good team to do well. This is true in every single MMO ever. W/o one, we are squishy as hell and are only capable of killing people when we get the jump, or have perfect situations arise.

    I am excited for arenas. I do hope that they implement them as I feel rogues will do very well with their plethora of CC, MSes, Mobility and High Pressure Utility.

    EDIT: @Calo: .................................................. ... The only thing NB is good for is Fell Blades. You are kidding yourself if you think that soul is worth anything outside of that. Living flame requires so many wasted points its silly, and the ability itself is easily shut down by any good player.

    NB: Ill Pop Living Flame and jump into their Back Line.
    RS: Hey look... a NB with all his CDs poped... /cast Rift prison.
    NB: ****!
    RS: Well he's useless for a while now...

    NB has NO hard CC and it will not be viable once people start realizing what to watch for.

    Logic has it's good points, but at the end of the day the way things play out is all that matters. I haven't seen that happen once yet. If it starts happening, I'll adjust tactics. For now, that build takes down healers easy as heck and turns the tides of many fights.

    NB will always be viable, provided it doesn't get nerfed. Group game - leave the CCing to other archetypes in your group that are better at it and focus on what you are there to do - kill healers, support, and mages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calva View Post
    how can we stop all these rogue QQ'ers from ruining all the skill it takes to play the class in pvp....Arena is the answer trion. i know on the WoW forums everyone that complains cant hit 1800. thats why blizz dosent listen to them. You guys need to do the same so you can tell how many rogues are doing good and how many are sucking so you can average out the class as a whole and see if it needs buffs. currently as it stands we do not need buffs, but you dont know that because you got the bads uniting on the forums which will end up taking away any skill that the rogue players have. I dont want to be told i win duels cause im a op rogue. i want ppl to go wtf happened i shouldn't lose to a rogue...at least thats what the forums say.
    How can we stop all these self righteous basterds who comes on here claiming everyone suck but them. Troll banning is the anwser Trion.

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    The op does only run in premades, he has a healer constantly watching his health so he doesn't experience the lack of survivability that most other people have and is allowed to fully focus on just damage output, which he probably thinks is good because he rarely is dead. Plus they are rolling the opposing team.

    Dead = less damage.

    most rogues are at a 1/1 kdr
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    Can we stop this guy from trolling please, all he does is troll the rogue forums. Report and ignore.

    look at players post history.
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    The OP plays a mage. He trolls these forums and frankly should be banned from posting. Trion will either wake up or watch thier subscriptions dwindle.

    Dont worry the PVE rogues are rerolling the PVP rogues are quitting . I dont know what game your playing but in end game there is a massive gap in end game dynamics. rogue is the lowest DPS , its supposrt class does not even come close to the mages, and the tank is a very situational. If your concerned about open world pvp youll probably hold your own as rogue, WF might as well find a way to exploit the AFK system for your ranks.
    This guy has the right of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calva View Post
    how can we stop all these rogue QQ'ers from ruining all the skill it takes to play the class in pvp....Arena is the answer trion. i know on the WoW forums everyone that complains cant hit 1800. thats why blizz dosent listen to them. You guys need to do the same so you can tell how many rogues are doing good and how many are sucking so you can average out the class as a whole and see if it needs buffs. currently as it stands we do not need buffs, but you dont know that because you got the bads uniting on the forums which will end up taking away any skill that the rogue players have. I dont want to be told i win duels cause im a op rogue. i want ppl to go wtf happened i shouldn't lose to a rogue...at least thats what the forums say.
    No thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wifeagro View Post
    Dont worry the PVE rogues are rerolling the PVP rogues are quitting . I dont know what game your playing but in end game there is a massive gap in end game dynamics. rogue is the lowest DPS , its supposrt class does not even come close to the mages, and the tank is a very situational. If your concerned about open world pvp youll probably hold your own as rogue, WF might as well find a way to exploit the AFK system for your ranks.
    We all are? I'm not, I'm a rogue. I have guildies who have 50 clerics and warriors who have rolled rogues and are loving them.

    The rogues aren't that broken, just the bad players behind the keyboard. They really won't be missed that much when they leave.

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