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    Default Question about Rogue-tanking

    So, I'm gathering that a rogue tank (semi-mythical tho it may be) is basically an RS build with bard heals and then whatever you can utilize effectively for a third soul?

    Are there any "must have feats" besides the obvious defensive ones like the Rift Guard/Guarded Steel/Barrier feats?

    I'm just trying to build a somewhat effective tank build for my third soul for instances and to try out some different aspects of the game. Any help appreciated.

    (already have a working leveling spec with Ranger24/MM/NB and a PvP spec I enjoy with MM/Sin/NB)

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    Bard is actually taken for the extra endurance and chance to be missed, you'll rarely, if ever use any of the abilities from it. Same deal with pretty much any tertiary soul you use, you pick it for the passives you want, a couple solid choices are Blade Dancer or Ranger.

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    thanks. I'm tinkering with a RS38, Bard24 (to reach Coda of Restoration) and BD4 atm and wanted to get some intell off you more experienced players :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukoi6 View Post
    thanks. I'm tinkering with a RS38, Bard24 (to reach Coda of Restoration) and BD4 atm and wanted to get some intell off you more experienced players :P
    That spec would be terrible.

    Standard spec is 51 RS, then 8/7 in BD/Ranger/Bard as you prefer.
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    Pay close attention to how many points you are giving up in the RS tree. As PessimiStick points out, the "generally accepted" builds usually take the full 51 points; primarily due to the significant buffs to endurance from Improved Guardian Phase and the larger absorbs from Improved Rift Guard.

    Personally, the two tanking specs I use are:

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=1M...ItIuqdRkkR.x0d for AoE Tanking

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    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=1M...eItIuqdRkkR.xh for solo tanking


    **These are by no means the only viable specs....Fasc did some analysis on a few others

    http://forums.riftgame.com/showthrea...=1#post2013826
    Last edited by phaser; 04-07-2011 at 08:11 AM.

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    why 51pts? for the scatter shadows? 49 specifically for the aggro of mobs I take it?

    I'm new to tanking in Rifts, so just trying to see why going so high in RS is required. I see the value in the various barrier/guard spells but can get all of those by 38. Defer Death seems like the highest skill I'd definitely want, but i'm all ears if someone wants to gimme a bit more on this subject.

    Thanks for the advice thus far folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukoi6 View Post
    why 51pts? for the scatter shadows? 49 specifically for the aggro of mobs I take it?

    I'm new to tanking in Rifts, so just trying to see why going so high in RS is required. I see the value in the various barrier/guard spells but can get all of those by 38. Defer Death seems like the highest skill I'd definitely want, but i'm all ears if someone wants to gimme a bit more on this subject.

    Thanks for the advice thus far folks.
    Improved Guardian Phase and Improved Rift Guard, take a good long hard look at those(That's what she said, hurhurhurrr).

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    Read description of Imp guardian phase and imp Rift guard. It should answer why people go 51 in RS.

    Oh deffer death is HORRIBLE, you can come up with few random situation like boss is at 5% healer is dead and next hit will kill you then yes it can in theory save a wipe. But 9/10 times you press that button it will just kill you.

    At some one who posted 9bard/49RS/8RNG as standard spec you are dreaming. It will work but pretty bad never the less. You trade 2% chance to be missed (2% less crit on you is actually BAD, since with sufficient toughness you WANT to be crited since it does less damage then normal hit.) for 1% DR,2% endurance and scatter shadows. I dont see how this can be a good trade no matter how you look at it.
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    There is a podcast link at the bottom of my post in my sig. There you will find class podcasts and we do some speculating about Rogue tanking in one of them. Well ok, perhaps not speculating.

    Just listen to it.

    Comment on it too if you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathfairy View Post
    Oh deffer death is HORRIBLE, you can come up with few random situation like boss is at 5% healer is dead and next hit will kill you then yes it can in theory save a wipe. But 9/10 times you press that button it will just kill you.
    This.

    It's a very, very situational skill.
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    Ippon - <Esti Efiu> - Rogue - Guardian - Sunrest
    Uchimata - <Esti Efiu> - Cleric - Guardian - Sunrest
    Noppi - <Esti Efiu> - Warrior - Guardian - Sunrest
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathfairy View Post
    Read description of Imp guardian phase and imp Rift guard. It should answer why people go 51 in RS.

    Oh deffer death is HORRIBLE, you can come up with few random situation like boss is at 5% healer is dead and next hit will kill you then yes it can in theory save a wipe. But 9/10 times you press that button it will just kill you.

    At some one who posted 9bard/49RS/8RNG as standard spec you are dreaming. It will work but pretty bad never the less. You trade 2% chance to be missed (2% less crit on you is actually BAD, since with sufficient toughness you WANT to be crited since it does less damage then normal hit.) for 1% DR,2% endurance and scatter shadows. I dont see how this can be a good trade no matter how you look at it.
    Hmm thanks for that tidbit. I didn't notice the full impact on Imp Rift Guard when I read it before. Whereas 2% endurance is nice from IGP, the real impact is from IRG. Thanks much. Will definitely take a harder look at this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathfairy View Post
    Read description of Imp guardian phase and imp Rift guard. It should answer why people go 51 in RS.

    Oh deffer death is HORRIBLE, you can come up with few random situation like boss is at 5% healer is dead and next hit will kill you then yes it can in theory save a wipe. But 9/10 times you press that button it will just kill you.

    At some one who posted 9bard/49RS/8RNG as standard spec you are dreaming. It will work but pretty bad never the less. You trade 2% chance to be missed (2% less crit on you is actually BAD, since with sufficient toughness you WANT to be crited since it does less damage then normal hit.) for 1% DR,2% endurance and scatter shadows. I dont see how this can be a good trade no matter how you look at it.
    Oh...damn!....thanks for pointing that out...completely cut & pasted the wrong link. I was looking at someone else's spec and didn't realize it when I copied the link. I go for a full 51 point RS in both my specs....then take 1/3 in street smart (and really only as a filler). That's an interesting point you make though, about wanting to be crit.

    These were the specs I meant to link

    Solo - http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=1M...EItIuqdRkkR.xh

    AoE - http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=1M...ItIuqdRkkR.x0d

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shokenaw View Post
    There is a podcast link at the bottom of my post in my sig. There you will find class podcasts and we do some speculating about Rogue tanking in one of them. Well ok, perhaps not speculating.

    Just listen to it.

    Comment on it too if you want.
    I actually listened to your riftstalker podcast on my way home from work last night. Some things that I didn't really agree with, but all in all, definitely worth a listen and to see another perspective. Keep it up!

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    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=1M...xIthuqzRzoM.xh

    IMO - plus or minus a few points - this is the way to go.

    Pushing 51 into RS basically makes your threat crap imo (thus why they give you a aoe taunt)

    Going into the Bladedancer tree gives you reactive abilities based on your dodge and boosts your dodge as well (this includes Ambidexterity due to its 1:1 to dodge boost)

    Oh yea, and if you go this far you get keen blade, the dex buff, compound attack, Weapon Barrage (only interrupt worth specc'ing to), and twin strikes.

    AoE taunt can suck all that AoE.

    This is obviously a Elite dungeon build. Raid bosses would be pure mitigation and thus a 51 point build would be better.
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