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    Here is the 31 Saboteur/15 Nightblade/20 Assassin Build.

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...Eb0ozo.0VMcxcb

    The rotation is ridiculously simple. Don't forget to place your charges before the fight starts so that you may open with Dark Malady.
    1. Spike Charge x 5, Detonate
    2. Shrapnel Charge x 5, Detonate
    3. Barbed Trap is to be used whenever the boss isn't afflicted by the debuff. This takes priority over placing charges.

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    Here is the 28 Saboteur/18 Blade Dancer/20 Assassin build.

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...Eb0ozo.0VMcxcb

    The rotation remains exactly the same with one new addition.
    1. Spike Charge x 5, Detonate
    2. Shrapnel Charge x 5, Detonate
    3. Barbed Trap is to be used whenever the boss isn't afflicted by the debuff. This takes priority over placing charges.
    4. Dauntless Strike when needed. This will result in a slight DPS loss for you, but it is too good for the raid to pass up. If you have an Archon or Bard in the raid, you will not need to do this.

    Personally, I weave in my Dauntless Strike by placing 5 charges (either type) and then casting it. I then place another charge of the same type previously used and then Detonate. After that, you continue your rotation as normal.

    Do not forget to use Blade Tempo! If there is no "burn" phase for the boss, you should cycle Blade Tempo as soon as possible to attain maximum possible duration.

    Noteworthy: Charge damage is calculated when Detonate is used, not when the charges are being placed. That means the damage is linked to your current buffs at the time of detonation. Keep this mind when using Blade Tempo.

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    Here is the Saboteur AoE King build.

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...Eb0ozo.0VMcxcb

    Just run this build exactly like you would with a normal Saboteur/Nightblade/Assassin build, except when the mobs are grouped. At that point you just spam booby trap and watch the parsers explode.

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    Summary.

    The reason I included two separate single target builds is because they both parsed closely together. I personally prefer the Bladedancer build because you can choose when you want to push your DPS with Blade Tempo and you can itemize away from hit rating since you get 5% from talents.

    Do not use any of the Annihilation Bomb builds. It will just lower your DPS.

    Parses included. The Nightblade spec also trickled down more quickly as I left combat because I had done less total damage so keep that in mind as well.

    606 DPS was the Nightblade spec.
    629 DPS was the Bladedancer spec.
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    Was hoping for some feedback, but I guess I'll take no responses as a good thing.

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    It's probably because most people are only interested in top dps specs. Many people flooded into speccing saboteur in the first place is because it was the only viable build. And since after the patch, saboteur is no longer the top dps specs, they are back to making more whine threads or have gone to other melee threads.
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    why would i stick to sab after the nerf if i can pull 1,1 k sdps in raids with a bn/bd spec?

    have fun anyways panda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoma View Post
    why would i stick to sab after the nerf if i can pull 1,1 k sdps in raids with a bn/bd spec?

    have fun anyways panda.
    Always trolling my threads. Never with any proof. This is a saboteur thread, plain and simple. Do I raid Saboteur? Not anymore, but it doesn't mean that there can't be a thread for those that do. By the way, this build took me through 3/5 GSB with ease, so it isn't a total failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoma View Post
    why would i stick to sab after the nerf if i can pull 1,1 k sdps in raids with a bn/bd spec?

    have fun anyways panda.
    Because a nb/bd does nothing against melee unfriendly bosses?

    To OP.. I tried something like your second build too.. But the dps drops way to much compared to the first build (it dropped like 15% for me or single target). Also if you really wanna use Dauntless Strike then weave in Annihilation Bomb+Dem Specialist.. So you can stack 5 charges / Annihilation Bomb (to trigger charges) then Dauntless strike on the combo points. But still meh compared to the first build.

    And AoE build can be much better since Booby trap does not crit or anything. So you want to stack as much talents as possible with +% damage.

    For now i keep a build close to your first build (well i went 32sab/21sin/13nb) for melee unfriendly things and while clearing trash (booby strap spam + spike charge/anni, etc, etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reyo View Post
    It's probably because most people are only interested in top dps specs. Many people flooded into speccing saboteur in the first place is because it was the only viable build. And since after the patch, saboteur is no longer the top dps specs, they are back to making more whine threads or have gone to other melee threads.
    I'll probably be making a NB thread soon to be honest. I'm collaborating with my guildies right now before I jump the forums and create a post though. Here goes another 10 platinum down the drain.... =P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daex View Post
    Because a nb/bd does nothing against melee unfriendly bosses?

    To OP.. I tried something like your second build too.. But the dps drops way to much compared to the first build (it dropped like 15% for me or single target). Also if you really wanna use Dauntless Strike then weave in Annihilation Bomb+Dem Specialist.. So you can stack 5 charges / Annihilation Bomb (to trigger charges) then Dauntless strike on the combo points. But still meh compared to the first build.

    And AoE build can be much better since Booby trap does not crit or anything. So you want to stack as much talents as possible with +% damage.

    For now i keep a build close to your first build (well i went 32sab/21sin/13nb) for melee unfriendly things and while clearing trash (booby strap spam + spike charge/anni, etc, etc)
    Thank you for your constructive reply.

    I'm wondering why your DPS dropped so much with the BD sub-spec. I also find it odd that you choose to use Annihilation Bomb. It destroyed my DPS when I tried it. The only thing I found to be worthy of using a GCD on other than charges was the Barbed Trap.

    The AoE DPS build was more for fun. It's not really conventional considering how great Saboteur AoE is anyways.

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    Why barbed trap? It is extremely weak and not worth using. Can't crit, ticks for 120-150.

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    I still use my Sabo build.
    It's a good high mobility dps spec.
    If I can't melée with my NB I switch to Sabo so I can still put moderate Dps on a boss and completely ignore any damage.

    I know everyone is about highest parser Dps but my Sabo tKes no damage, can still stealth & CC and does just as much damage as a Ranger build in both AoE and single target.

    I don't see why it isn't viable, just use a NB spec for melée friendly bosses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koe View Post
    Why barbed trap? It is extremely weak and not worth using. Can't crit, ticks for 120-150.
    You are absolutely correct. This is why I created this thread! I decided to give it a real review after a couple people said something. My initial perception was that it was 500+ damage for a GCD. It seemed like a very strong ability.

    Anyways. I dropped the related talents decided to go 3/3 combat efficiency and it made quite a difference. I parsed 652 DPS over 260,000 health, with some DPS fade as DoTs ticked down.

    Here is the spec I used...

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...Eb0o0o.0VMcxcb

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarTornPanda View Post
    Thank you for your constructive reply.

    I'm wondering why your DPS dropped so much with the BD sub-spec. I also find it odd that you choose to use Annihilation Bomb. It destroyed my DPS when I tried it. The only thing I found to be worthy of using a GCD on other than charges was the Barbed Trap.

    The AoE DPS build was more for fun. It's not really conventional considering how great Saboteur AoE is anyways.
    So you charge up 5 charges then press Dauntless Strike what do you do with the charges that are left? You either need to get 1 combo point back and detonate (which is uber low detonate damage) or instead trigger the 5 charges by annihaltion bomb then use the 5 combo points for Dauntless strike.
    Dont forget to check out my poems/lyrics: Saboteur Poem / Saboteur Lyrics.
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    I don't see why everyone runs away from Sab now. It is still one of the top rogue DPS souls, and IMO, the top DPS rogue soul. In raids, there are very few bosses who are completely melee friendly, and so with a NB spec, you get left in the dust by anyone with any ranged capability. Dummy parses for Sabs are pretty crappy, but in raids, our rogues have no issue breaking 900, even 1k. Yes, that's ST, AoE doesn't really matter, but Sab AoE DPS is really good. Granted, the DPS warriors are all 1k+ ST, but we all know that the DPS is still skewed in favor of warriors, and it will be fixed eventually.

    All this doom and gloom in these forums is depressing, just wait it out and do everything you can to be competitive for now. Rogues will get better eventually, we are pretty decent right now anyways.

    Here's the spec I use in experts and raids. It's a melee Sab spec. Our guild is pretty comfortable with every encounter in GSB so I can afford to melee. Twilight shelter from the NB tree is pretty much why I spent 18 points there. It's amazing for an oh crap defensive CD.

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...0cEb0o0o.VhxMh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuladien View Post
    I don't see why everyone runs away from Sab now. It is still one of the top rogue DPS souls, and IMO, the top DPS rogue soul. In raids, there are very few bosses who are completely melee friendly, and so with a NB spec, you get left in the dust by anyone with any ranged capability. Dummy parses for Sabs are pretty crappy, but in raids, our rogues have no issue breaking 900, even 1k. Yes, that's ST, AoE doesn't really matter, but Sab AoE DPS is really good. Granted, the DPS warriors are all 1k+ ST, but we all know that the DPS is still skewed in favor of warriors, and it will be fixed eventually.

    All this doom and gloom in these forums is depressing, just wait it out and do everything you can to be competitive for now. Rogues will get better eventually, we are pretty decent right now anyways.
    Exactly this. Sab still does very reasonable DPS for both ST and AoE and the time on target is outstanding. Not every boss is melee friendly. Even as a melee sab your DPS is only reduced on these bosses, not eliminated. Slightly reduced at that.

    Should everyone who is committed to raiding have both optimal mDPS and rDPS builds in their quiver at all times to be applied as situation dictates? Yes, absolutely, but this does make a pretty passable single slot option for people who use their other slots for other focuses.
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