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Thread: 4 ways the change to Saboteur charge booster hurts the class

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    Default 4 ways the change to Saboteur charge booster hurts the class

    There's been a lot of posts about how the change to the charge booster ability is unneeded (especially in the face of the bugfix & crit calculation changes), but there are several other efffects which add up to really make the saboteur broken if this change goes live.

    1. Sustained DPS potential - yes, Sabo's were the top of Rogue DPS before the changes. Sadly, in comparison to other callings, we weren't near the top of the DPS table. This only suggests that the other rogue souls need serious DPS boosts, rather than Saboteur needing to be nerfed. Pre-changes, we weren't within 10% of the top DPS- now we're not within 30%. The parses are out there, tested on Alpha.

    2. Charges other than Blast, Shrapnel, and Spike will no longer be used- The other charges were being used because the opportunity cost of them made sense when they got a two-for-one boost. The Damage of Ember, Splinter etc is far too low without utilizing charge booster. With charge booster, a two-for-one made sense, and if we wanted more of a particular effect, a 3-for-2 sometimes made sense. Now, there's 3 charges which make any sense at any time- DoT, DD, and AoE.

    3. The debuff effects of various charges are tuned around charge booster, and the new charge booster no longer affects ANY of our debuffs. Getting a two-for-one made the debuff effects of our armor debuff, our snare, and our Stun moderately useful. Even when we do use the "active" charge booster, none of these receive any sort of boost- making them further useless.

    4. Saboteurs take a further hit to end-of-fight use. When a target gets low, Saboteurs have a unique problem; because we do 0 damage until we detonate- how many charges do we need to use to finish a fight? This isn't as much of a problem on boss fights with huge HP pools, but on all the little fights, it's a hard thing to gauge whether someone else will kill something before we can detonate, or how many charges are needed. The change to charge booster makes it harder to get enough charges to do decent damage before someone else lands a blow making our stack nothing other than wasted time. When soloing PvE questing, it drags fights out because we're not going to blow a cooldown to finish a fight.

    In short- the class was balanced around the functionality of charge booster. Completely reworking the way charge booster works GUTS the class because our abilities were tuned around it.

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    There are literally so many of these posts in the rogue forum that they are spilling out into general.

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    They're spilling into general because the general impression is that Dev's pay no attention to anything in the rogue calling forum. I don't know whether they do or don't but they don't give the impression that they pay any attention to us at all.

    The other significant question is regarding gear scaling for Saboteurs; Just about the only stat which has significant benefit for us is crit %, so raid buffs and gear don't scale Sabo DPS like they do other classes. So now we're being relegated to the DPS basement AND we won't scale.
    Last edited by Puckey; 03-25-2011 at 12:51 PM.

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    Thumbs up Bravo!

    Bravo, you have made a simple yet elegant argument. This is exactly the problems..... not to mention it turns all Sabs into a spam blast charge detonate robot, with no thought to what might work better in the situation at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sez View Post
    There are literally so many of these posts in the rogue forum that they are spilling out into general.
    Rogues are learning from mages that the best way to get buffs instead of nerfs is to make thousands of threads on the same topic.
    "We've got a particularly troublesome ability on Saboteurs that's causing them to do better damage in the game than anybody else." -- Scott Hartsman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sez View Post
    There are literally so many of these posts in the rogue forum that they are spilling out into general.
    At least the OP explains it clearly so even the most ******ed people posting in these kinds of topics telling us to quit complaining can understand what the problem is.

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