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    Default Assassins are SICK from lvl 32-50!

    Actually, I'm lvl 46 atm, RL has taken too much of my time.

    Do you mind if I share my humble opinion? I'll take your silence as meaning you don't

    Fellas (and ladies), listen, if you are taking your assassin in WF's and just not having that much fun, I would suggest that you fall in to one of two catagories. The first catagory would be the people that think their toon should **** all (i doubt you are in this catagory), and the second being the people that don't understand the class's intent. It says right in the class's description that target selection is key for assassins to be able to survive. Target selection means alot of things, more than just the class of your target, but also where, what state they are in (meaning are they waiting for you, knowing you are going to attack) and what sort of assistance they may have. I would suggest that using an assassin in WF's is stacking alot of the cards against you in the first place because your target is certainly pvp-ready, certainly has assistance, and may even know you are coming.

    In my opinion, an assassin can kill almost any class in the game. sure, there are exceptions, but isn't that what makes the game fun?

    Being that you are a stealther, try to ensure that you SET THE CONDITIONS of your next few fights and see if you get better results I hope you start to enjoy your assassin, because I am loving mine.

    /cheers

    PS isnt it somewhat satisfying to know that when you kill, its because of your skill, and not spamming one ability over and over? Now go get em!
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    Oh yes, i love my assassin too, it's much easier to kill someone outside of WF cause you truly have the element of surprise, and it's always important to pick your targets.

    In warfronts either go after someone who you know you can take down or help another player in taking down a target, incapacitate those healers before they get to the battle and that's 6 seconds out of the battle for them.

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    World PvP isn't much of a problem for assassins, although 2 days ago I had a reaver/pally/* completely rip me apart while he had 5 mobs on him. On top of that, he never fell below ~80%. Maybe I was doing it wrong. >.> I still tend to ignore clerics in world PvP because we all know the outcome if the initial burst doesn't kill them.

    As for warfronts, assassins don't have much of a role aside from killing rogues/mages. Seeing that warfronts have objectives, picking off the stragglers doesn't really help out much. Depending on your build you may be able to put decent pressure on the healers, but none of this is stuff that can't be accomplished by a warrior. If I didn't like the game so much then I probably would have already stopped playing. I'm sure Trion will find better balance between now and the coming patches. Until then, I'll grind out the last 4 lvls on my rogue and put him on the shelf. Warriors have it much easier. =)
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    Oh 32 NB with 32 Assassin works great against healers, you get fel blades for 50% healing reduction, DoT them up with bleeds, pop Scourge of darkness with ebon fury and dusk strike them to death along with final blows, twilight force them to keep them in range since it has no cooldown while ebon fury is active.

    Warrior tanks are a problem, i'm still trying to find a good combination to beat them.

    Killing in warfronts whether it's on mages or rogues counts a lot, as contrary to what people belive killing blows matter, with how powerful healing is, that second that you get the killing blow you avoided that guy from getting healed back to full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soul McCrusherton View Post
    Actually, I'm lvl 46 atm, RL has taken too much of my time.

    Do you mind if I share my humble opinion? I'll take your silence as meaning you don't

    Fellas (and ladies), listen, if you are taking your assassin in WF's and just not having that much fun, I would suggest that you fall in to one of two catagories. The first catagory would be the people that think their toon should **** all (i doubt you are in this catagory), and the second being the people that don't understand the class's intent. It says right in the class's description that target selection is key for assassins to be able to survive. Target selection means alot of things, more than just the class of your target, but also where, what state they are in (meaning are they waiting for you, knowing you are going to attack) and what sort of assistance they may have. I would suggest that using an assassin in WF's is stacking alot of the cards against you in the first place because your target is certainly pvp-ready, certainly has assistance, and may even know you are coming.

    In my opinion, an assassin can kill almost any class in the game. sure, there are exceptions, but isn't that what makes the game fun?

    Being that you are a stealther, try to ensure that you SET THE CONDITIONS of your next few fights and see if you get better results I hope you start to enjoy your assassin, because I am loving mine.

    /cheers

    PS isnt it somewhat satisfying to know that when you kill, its because of your skill, and not spamming one ability over and over? Now go get em!
    this may not make sense, but im going to say it anyway. the problem isnt kiling people... its KILLING people.

    the aoe healing nerfs will help immensley for our bleeds, cos at 50, theyre easily out healed by hots atm.
    raw dps, i can take 50% of a tanks hp in my first 4 moves, after that im fracked with no backup!

    the best advice i can give is, pick you targets wisely, dont think you can burst down everyone, cos you cant! pick off stragglers who will get no healing or backup and youll be fine, jump into a crowd to take out that healer and you will get butt hugged a lot!!

    that said Assassins do need some loving... i see poision dmg is being made more potent which is fine, 2x fast daggers pwns with poision procs! but id like to see more in the assassin tree making it a viable 51pt soul, rather than to fotm 32/32 spec with NB.

    Trion said early on, there would be no penalty for specialising 51pts, but atm thats simply not true.
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    Please post again when you get 50 and play in a few dozen WFs.

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    Classes i struggle most with are Warriors tanks and Clerics as the tank just.. tanks my damage and lols at me while he melee's me dead, and a cleric just puts 1 hot up and then outheals all my damage and its like "Sigh...." Assassins need a kinda big buff personly. To me we are ment to have great burst but pretty bad survivablity. We cant last more then a few seconds out of the shadows or we will be hammered thats how i remember rogues from other games. We would stun and nuke a target fast (ofc dont make us OP just buff dam backstab to crit more then 400.. -.- a good 700 - 1000 is enough!) so we can burn our targetrs and get back into stealth before a champion 2shots us.
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    They need to boost some dps, allow the sin to use the temps/buffs in stealth, reduce re-cast on stealth..

    I love my sin/bd off-spec for the play style, but I'm not needed in raids in this spec at all...

    IIRC, other RPG's have rogue abilities that effectively strip the armour from the foe.. is this NB with death damage? what about a sin ability to negate armor for 5-10 secs.
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    Looking for a good PVP open world build for a stealthier. Would love to see a few builds or maybe a couple opening moves to get an idea of what the foundation of a good attack might be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TooLateToTalk View Post
    Looking for a good PVP open world build for a stealthier. Would love to see a few builds or maybe a couple opening moves to get an idea of what the foundation of a good attack might be.
    jagged strike is usually best opener, if its clothie i sometimes use Assassinate > puncture > foul play > slipaway > jagged strike > final blow, usually kills most with a few quick melees.

    its personal pref, but neve open with stun, theres no dps there and you lose slip away > stun combo when things turn sour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mercilous View Post
    World PvP isn't much of a problem for assassins, although 2 days ago I had a reaver/pally/* completely rip me apart while he had 5 mobs on him. On top of that, he never fell below ~80%. Maybe I was doing it wrong. >.> I still tend to ignore clerics in world PvP because we all know the outcome if the initial burst doesn't kill them.

    As for warfronts, assassins don't have much of a role aside from killing rogues/mages. Seeing that warfronts have objectives, picking off the stragglers doesn't really help out much. Depending on your build you may be able to put decent pressure on the healers, but none of this is stuff that can't be accomplished by a warrior. If I didn't like the game so much then I probably would have already stopped playing. I'm sure Trion will find better balance between now and the coming patches. Until then, I'll grind out the last 4 lvls on my rogue and put him on the shelf. Warriors have it much easier. =)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Napkin View Post
    Oh 32 NB with 32 Assassin works great against healers, you get fel blades for 50% healing reduction, DoT them up with bleeds, pop Scourge of darkness with ebon fury and dusk strike them to death along with final blows, twilight force them to keep them in range since it has no cooldown while ebon fury is active.

    Warrior tanks are a problem, i'm still trying to find a good combination to beat them.

    Again 1 build should never be able to trump EVERY other build of every class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soul McCrusherton View Post
    Actually, I'm lvl 46 atm, RL has taken too much of my time.

    Do you mind if I share my humble opinion? I'll take your silence as meaning you don't

    Fellas (and ladies), listen, if you are taking your assassin in WF's and just not having that much fun, I would suggest that you fall in to one of two catagories. The first catagory would be the people that think their toon should **** all (i doubt you are in this catagory), and the second being the people that don't understand the class's intent. It says right in the class's description that target selection is key for assassins to be able to survive. Target selection means alot of things, more than just the class of your target, but also where, what state they are in (meaning are they waiting for you, knowing you are going to attack) and what sort of assistance they may have. I would suggest that using an assassin in WF's is stacking alot of the cards against you in the first place because your target is certainly pvp-ready, certainly has assistance, and may even know you are coming.

    In my opinion, an assassin can kill almost any class in the game. sure, there are exceptions, but isn't that what makes the game fun?

    Being that you are a stealther, try to ensure that you SET THE CONDITIONS of your next few fights and see if you get better results I hope you start to enjoy your assassin, because I am loving mine.

    /cheers

    PS isnt it somewhat satisfying to know that when you kill, its because of your skill, and not spamming one ability over and over? Now go get em!
    Your experience is very limited, wait until you are 50, in level 50 WF's vs Prestige rank 2+ people in Tier 2 gear.

    Any moron can gank people, its not hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taemek View Post
    Your experience is very limited, wait until you are 50, in level 50 WF's vs Prestige rank 2+ people in Tier 2 gear.

    Any moron can gank people, its not hard.

    It's never going to be an exceptional solo WF class because then it would be a God-like OPvP class.

    Although with a melee train it would be effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyzhi View Post
    Classes i struggle most with are Warriors tanks and Clerics as the tank just.. tanks my damage and lols at me while he melee's me dead, and a cleric just puts 1 hot up and then outheals all my damage and its like "Sigh...." Assassins need a kinda big buff personly. To me we are ment to have great burst but pretty bad survivablity. We cant last more then a few seconds out of the shadows or we will be hammered thats how i remember rogues from other games. We would stun and nuke a target fast (ofc dont make us OP just buff dam backstab to crit more then 400.. -.- a good 700 - 1000 is enough!) so we can burn our targetrs and get back into stealth before a champion 2shots us.
    You are basicly saying because there are a couple of classes you can't kill, you should get buffed.

    Assassins or nightblades should not be able to take on a tank alone. We should be a threat to mages and to some extent healers, but tanks should outlast us.

    When you play a stealther, everything is about picking targets wisely and knowing your limitations. If you just attack randomly, you will not be succesful.

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