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    Default Highest Non-Saboteur DPS

    So let's assume saboteur gets nerfed below the ground to the point of unplayability, being reduced to a purely utility and trickle damage class (see: Marksman), and let's assume that champions now hit for jack**** now that their abilities are reduced by armor.

    That leaves us with an interesting playing field. Rogues will be competitive since warriors will no longer put out 1.2k+ DPS, leaving the option for alternatives.

    What are your best bets for the new top DPS soul combination? My money lies with a 44 NB / 17 Sin / 5 RS build, with which I'm currently outputting about 633 sustained DPS*. I have extremely high hopes for a Ranger mainspec build though, seeing as I've never extensively tested the class before it, but judging by some parses I've seen it could be doable. (Also, some fights require range so we will all need at least a ranger build to work with)

    Is anybody hitting similar numbers? For reference, my gear is about equivalent to T1, but I have rather bad daggers so that's a huge hit to my overall DPS - since it's largely based on main hand weapon DPS.

    What are you placing your pets on becoming the new top DPS spec? Has anybody found a way to improve the 44 NB build?

    *For comparison, my Saboteur/Ranger/NB build does 751 sustained DPS, unbuffed, on boss practice dummy. Raid DPS has breached the 1k barrier on some bosses, single target.
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    The problem is most fights can't have melee or you have to spread out, i can do 600dps single target with melee.
    I have tried hunters and their dps is horrible, and pets on most fights are useless as they also need to los and avoid aoe oh and i don't wanna be a huntard, i wanna be a rogue

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    Is the 15% AP from RS better than 15%DEX from Sab? 15%DEX should net you 7.5%AP and 15%PC, and I hear PC nets more damage than AP (but I don't know the numbers yet so I can't say).
    Also, want to post your 44/17/5? Though I can guess at least the /17/5 part, I'm curious to see the 44NB.
    EDIT: is this it? http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...b.iItMhqgMos.V
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reamerer View Post
    Is the 15% AP from RS better than 15%DEX from Sab? 15%DEX should net you 7.5%AP and 15%PC, and I hear PC nets more damage than AP (but I don't know the numbers yet so I can't say).
    Also, want to post your 44/17/5? Though I can guess at least the /17/5 part, I'm curious to see the 44NB.
    EDIT: is this it? http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...b.iItMhqgMos.V
    +15% dex is ~10-12% ap and crit depending on your str/crit/ap on gear. remember dex is still our 'primary' stat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tibot View Post
    +15% dex is ~10-12% ap and crit depending on your str/crit/ap on gear. remember dex is still our 'primary' stat.
    Yeah, I'm aware it's our primary stat, that's why I'm thinking that +15%DEX might award more DPS than +15%AP. Though speccing into Sab instead of RS does lose the nice Planebound Resilience +END, I'm still thinking from a purely DPS perspective that it might be better, but again I haven't yet actually tested it myself.

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    as far as consistant damage teh 51/15/0 ranger nightblade assassin build is the best, the pet almost NEVER dies, i have found 2 fights where the pets bug and only one fight that can actually kill them when 51 point ranger.


    the melee specs might do better on a tank and spank but there are a myth in this game. Ranged is the safer bet on most fights.


    Marks blows goats right now.. and it sucks but to be a consistant rogue you need to be ranger. and 51/15/0 ranger nb sin spec does about 600 DPS on the dummy when played properly., and it only sky rockets when buffed

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    Just parsed several NB builds. All tests were preformed on Boss Dummy and lasted somewhere between 5 and 6 minutes. Hellfire Blades + Lethal Poison used in all tests. Crit chances listed are character sheet and do not account for 5% from poison.

    43 nb / 18 sin / 5 sab: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...b.iItMhqgzos.V
    DPS: 634 AP: 406 Crit: 29.23

    44 nb / 17 sin / 5 rs: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...b.iItRhqgMoc.V
    DPS: 598 AP: 433 Crit: 27.03

    43 nb / 18 sin / 5 rs: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...b.iItRhqgzoc.V
    DPS: 644 AP: 433 Crit: 27.03

    42 nb / 18 sin / 6 rng: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...b.iItMhqg0os.V
    DPs: 651 AP: 423 Crit: 32.03

    My only real thoughts of this are that impale in Sin seems like it is a must have.

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    Of course 51 deep NB for the win...with maybe 10-12 sin, and rest either BD or RS.

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    I'm parsing on a dummy at 500 DPS as 51rng/15nb/0sin.

    While that seems low, I'm a fresh 50 at the moment with no t1 gear just full normal mode blues from leveling.

    Current sab builds put me around 630-640 dps for reference purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shards397 View Post
    Just parsed several NB builds. All tests were preformed on Boss Dummy and lasted somewhere between 5 and 6 minutes. Hellfire Blades + Lethal Poison used in all tests. Crit chances listed are character sheet and do not account for 5% from poison.

    43 nb / 18 sin / 5 sab: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...b.iItMhqgzos.V
    DPS: 634 AP: 406 Crit: 29.23

    44 nb / 17 sin / 5 rs: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...b.iItRhqgMoc.V
    DPS: 598 AP: 433 Crit: 27.03

    43 nb / 18 sin / 5 rs: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...b.iItRhqgzoc.V
    DPS: 644 AP: 433 Crit: 27.03

    42 nb / 18 sin / 6 rng: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...b.iItMhqg0os.V
    DPs: 651 AP: 423 Crit: 32.03

    My only real thoughts of this are that impale in Sin seems like it is a must have.
    =\ the only reason non-NB skills(puncture) up dps is because it tightens up blaze striking to lingering flame active during the SoD cycle. Honestly you loss so much dps when you have to manually cast fiery spike or short cast blaze strike/flame thrust instead of spaming away at dusk/twilight/primal strike and finishes. also did you use a single fiery spike and use flame strike x2 or manually stack it?
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    Good thing OP posted a link to his specc.

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M....iItRGqgRss.Vo

    What i would use, i will parsee it tomorrow and check back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swaggy View Post
    Good thing OP posted a link to his specc.

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M....iItRGqgRss.Vo

    What i would use, i will parsee it tomorrow and check back.
    Why are you skipping some of the best DPS talents in Sin to go 51 into NB for utility skills? This is a DPS thread, not an all-around build thread.
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    I would share my ranged build that does burst 1k+ dps, but you guys dont seem to be llooking outside the box enough to share my info. And no, its not a sab spec
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