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    Default T1 50 Saboteur Guide + Numbers w/ Parses! 728+ DPS Sustained - Top DPS Build ? -

    INTRODUCTION

    There's been a lot of discussion surrounding the Saboteur build and the damage per second (DPS) output of the soul. There's also been quite a bit of speculation with the folks on these forums offering numbers without evidence. This guide intends to highlight the Saboteur build and illustrate the DPS that is attainable as a Saboteur. I hope that you find this to be educational, enlightening, and debatable. This should also serve to end the mystery and questions surrounding the DPS throughput of a well-played Saboteur.

    For this read, I introduce you to my character, Lexi: http://i.imgur.com/5o33v.jpg

    She's in mostly T1 or equivalent gear with a couple of crafted offsetting pieces.

    GETTING THESE NUMBERS STRAIGHT

    For my first set of DPS simulations, I ran several tests in game. My target was a level 50 Elite Boss Practice Dummy in Sanctum. There are no other dummies near this particular one, so there is no splash damage in these calculations. I ran each test over the course of 5 minutes and a few seconds, to help simulate a real boss encounter.

    This first set of encounters (both simulated and real) was without Hellfire Blades being used at all, as you can see per the images.

    SIMULATED ENCOUNTERS
    Test #1: Melee Combat: http://i.imgur.com/m8SlN.jpg
    Total DPS Output: 697 / 5 minutes, 12 seconds

    Test #2: Ranged Combat: http://i.imgur.com/FY5T3.jpg
    Total DPS Output: 585 / 5 minutes, 13 seconds

    Test #3: Melee Combat with Fanfare of Power (Bard buff): http://i.imgur.com/Wm1RA.png
    Total DPS Output: 718 / 5 minutes, 15 seconds

    * For those of you that like math, here's the chart that shows her spike damage:
    http://i.imgur.com/NHrDo.png

    You'll notice that Lexi's highest spike was over 1200 DPS!

    REAL ENCOUNTERS

    For my second set of DPS simulations, I ran King's Breach. These two examples were from movement based fights, where I stayed in the back and did not melee at all. Notice that I have two buffs from a Bard, one lessens the energy cost of skills, the other gives me dexterity/strength.

    Ravalos - T1 King's Breach - 645 dps, ranged only, some movement. No close combat. : http://i.imgur.com/BGZrT.jpg

    Konstantine - T1 King's Breach - 619 DPS, ranged only, was moving around the room constantly (70% of the fight) to avoid spikes http://i.imgur.com/i79dh.png

    This next image shows damage with Hellfire Blades, on the Elite Boss Dummy at melee range over a period of 5 minutes, 14 seconds:
    http://i.imgur.com/6bJyb.png

    729 DPS! - Self buffed only (no Bard buffs!) Hellfire Blades and Lethal Poison. With this in mind, it's reasonable to think that an extra 50 Dex/Strength from one Bard buff would put Lexi's DPS over 750. I'll try to test that soon.

    THE ROTATION

    I call my rotations "The Opener" and "The Closer", you repeat these rotations until the target is dead.
    The Opener: Spike Charge, Spike Charge, Spike Charge, Spike Charge, Blast Charge, Detonate
    The Closer: Blast Charge, Embers Charge, Caltrop Charge, Splinter Charge, Shrapnel Charge, Detonate

    LEXI'S BUILD

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M....VhxMh.0VMcxcb
    28/18/20 Saboteur, Nightblade, Assassin

    CLOSING ARGUMENTS

    I believe that this is the top DPS build for the Rogue tree given the current tier of content. Whether you can fight up close, or if you're fighting at melee range, this build offers solid numbers for the first tier of raiding content. I'm always striving towards improving my character, so it is my hope that you will leave some comments and feedback for me. If you would like me to run additional tests, I can try to do that as well. My guild has all T1 on farm and have mostly cleared T2 at this point, so if there's a specific encounter you'd like to see parsed, let me know.

    - Lexi

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    Also, this would not have been possible without the help of everyone that's been theorycrafting in the 50 sab rotation thread on these boards. I want to especially thank Gustuf, as his contributions have been extremely helpful to me. I'd also like to thank Mercy, as his thoughts and ideas have been useful as well! Hopefully everyone here can get something from my numbers now too.
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    It *is* the top DPS build. Check the PvE discussion thread, multiple parses over 750 dps.
    Last edited by Kivlov; 03-16-2011 at 04:36 PM.

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    Have you considered adding Demolition specialist? With that and maybe carpet bombing you can add the dot effect of spike charge to 3 mobs at the same time.

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    sab is the highest dps build, nothing new here.
    What is new is that you post a build and a guide here which shows that you absolutely do not understand what a sab is realy capable of and call it a guide.
    Your spec is a really bad joke and everyone in my t2 group would laugh at you before kicking you out to learn your class. We are running t2 with 2 sabs for maximum boss and aoe dps and utility and your spec show that you fail in both.
    Is your damage good compared to other classes? Maybe. Is your aoe for trash and aoe dependent bosses good? No, because you are wasting your potential by specing stuff like mele assa dot procs and non physical dmg enhancement for a physical dps build.
    Get a dps build and you will experience a whole new sabo world, where your dps in every situation is so high, that ppl who know you will be afraid to run experts or raid without you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bownanza View Post
    sab is the highest dps build, nothing new here.
    What is new is that you post a build and a guide here which shows that you absolutely do not understand what a sab is realy capable of and call it a guide.
    Your spec is a really bad joke and everyone in my t2 group would laugh at you before kicking you out to learn your class. We are running t2 with 2 sabs for maximum boss and aoe dps and utility and your spec show that you fail in both.
    Is your damage good compared to other classes? Maybe. Is your aoe for trash and aoe dependent bosses good? No, because you are wasting your potential by specing stuff like mele assa dot procs and non physical dmg enhancement for a physical dps build.
    Get a dps build and you will experience a whole new sabo world, where your dps in every situation is so high, that ppl who know you will be afraid to run experts or raid without you.
    Bown - I do have an AE dps build that I use for trash. I use this for bosses. Appreciate your comments though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bownanza View Post
    sab is the highest dps build, nothing new here.
    What is new is that you post a build and a guide here which shows that you absolutely do not understand what a sab is realy capable of and call it a guide.
    Your spec is a really bad joke and everyone in my t2 group would laugh at you before kicking you out to learn your class. We are running t2 with 2 sabs for maximum boss and aoe dps and utility and your spec show that you fail in both.
    Is your damage good compared to other classes? Maybe. Is your aoe for trash and aoe dependent bosses good? No, because you are wasting your potential by specing stuff like mele assa dot procs and non physical dmg enhancement for a physical dps build.
    Get a dps build and you will experience a whole new sabo world, where your dps in every situation is so high, that ppl who know you will be afraid to run experts or raid without you.
    Assassin is completely required for Saboteur to do maximum DPS. Don't be an ignorant **** posting about **** you don't actually understand. Lexi is just laying out what Mercy posted in the PvE thread which is that this spec is the highest DPS for both AoE and single target.

    Sure it lowers slightly if you can't melee the mobs, so you lose your auto attack dps, 5% dmg and 5% crit but a good majority of the stuff you'll be doing you can jump in and put up your **** then get out before the AoE-instant-****youmelee happens while attaching charges. Substituting Assassin for anything will flat out lower your charges damage by 15% damage, 20% on crits and 10% after you crit for your next charges.

    Neglecting the 9% from NB on non-physical also lowers your damage on 3 of your 5 burst charges


    Also, if you're running with 2 saboteurs, your group is pretty ******ed as a warrior with an off-spec of beast master provides the same DPS as the saboteur, but gives the saboteur 80~ strength and 40dex and an extra 5% damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bownanza View Post
    sab is the highest dps build, nothing new here.
    What is new is that you post a build and a guide here which shows that you absolutely do not understand what a sab is realy capable of and call it a guide.
    Your spec is a really bad joke and everyone in my t2 group would laugh at you before kicking you out to learn your class. We are running t2 with 2 sabs for maximum boss and aoe dps and utility and your spec show that you fail in both.
    Is your damage good compared to other classes? Maybe. Is your aoe for trash and aoe dependent bosses good? No, because you are wasting your potential by specing stuff like mele assa dot procs and non physical dmg enhancement for a physical dps build.
    Get a dps build and you will experience a whole new sabo world, where your dps in every situation is so high, that ppl who know you will be afraid to run experts or raid without you.
    Numbers, or everything you said is meaningless.

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    Bown, if it is possible, would you please post your build and numbers. I think we can all learn from this. Also, I'd like to see some numbers from your T2 boss fights.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kivlov View Post
    Assassin is completely required for Saboteur to do maximum DPS. Don't be an ignorant **** posting about **** you don't actually understand. Lexi is just laying out what Mercy posted in the PvE thread which is that this spec is the highest DPS for both AoE and single target.

    Sure it lowers slightly if you can't melee the mobs, so you lose your auto attack dps, 5% dmg and 5% crit but a good majority of the stuff you'll be doing you can jump in and put up your **** then get out before the AoE-instant-****youmelee happens while attaching charges. Substituting Assassin for anything will flat out lower your charges damage by 15% damage, 20% on crits and 10% after you crit for your next charges.

    Neglecting the 9% from NB on non-physical also lowers your damage on 3 of your 5 burst charges


    Also, if you're running with 2 saboteurs, your group is pretty ******ed as a warrior with an off-spec of beast master provides the same DPS as the saboteur, but gives the saboteur 80~ strength and 40dex and an extra 5% damage.
    assa is needed, but 17 points are enough.

    my group with 2 sabs is clearing t2 fast and easy without warriors and mages, this may suck because of the cloth and plate loot, but we are having a lot of fun and we are very effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bownanza View Post
    assa is needed, but 17 points are enough.

    my group with 2 sabs is clearing t2 fast and easy without warriors and mages, this may suck because of the cloth and plate loot, but we are having a lot of fun and we are very effective.
    You do realise charges are Poison and the 15% poison damage that assassin has affects them so you need at least 20 points in assassin to maximize all the things an Assassin offers? So pretty much you're just full of it and don't actually parse your groups damage or know their specs is what you said to me with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexie View Post
    Bown - I do have an AE dps build that I use for trash. I use this for bosses. Appreciate your comments though
    oh, in this case i appologize for saying that you donīt know your class, because you do not understand the game itself in general.

    but thatīs one of the good thing in rift, you can play successfull with a gimped build and have fun and fun is the most important point in playing games.
    i would just be nice if people like you would not write guides...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bownanza View Post
    oh, in this case i appologize for saying that you donīt know your class, because you do not understand the game itself in general.

    but thatīs one of the good thing in rift, you can play successfull with a gimped build and have fun and fun is the most important point in playing games.
    i would just be nice if people like you would not write guides...
    Just like the way you can make yourself understandable on forums with gimped english, am I right?

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