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Thread: Bye bye Marks. Helllllooo Sab!

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    Default Bye bye Marks. Helllllooo Sab!

    So, I baught my 3rd spec last night to play around with a Sab build since I haven't tried it since Beta4 and I have to say that I am in love . Not only is the play stay a gazillion times more fun for me, the DPS is better too. As a rogue you arent suppose to have to stand still, I subscribe to the "jumping increases your DPS" philosophy. Right now I am Sab/NB/RS and will be moving to Sab/Sin/NB once I get 10 into NB.

    At level 28 I am already dominating foes. What's that? Need to AoE a pack down? No problem! Need to grab an item guarded by a mob? Incap them and stealth away like a pro. Rift bosses, meet my charges! The end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SublimeBW View Post
    So, I baught my 3rd spec last night to play around with a Sab build since I haven't tried it since Beta4 and I have to say that I am in love . Not only is the play stay a gazillion times more fun for me, the DPS is better too. As a rogue you arent suppose to have to stand still, I subscribe to the "jumping increases your DPS" philosophy. Right now I am Sab/NB/RS and will be moving to Sab/Sin/NB once I get 10 into NB.

    At level 28 I am already dominating foes. What's that? Need to AoE a pack down? No problem! Need to grab an item guarded by a mob? Incap them and stealth away like a pro. Rift bosses, meet my charges! The end.
    What is your spec? I also made my second role a Sab (Sab/NB/Bard) due to sheer frustration with my bard in rifts being unable to score very high on the participation meter. I was level 28 doing rifts with mostly low to mid 20s and my bard could barely make it to the middle of the pack for participation. I switched to sab, top participation with ease. Don;t get me wrong, I absolutely love my Bard for instances and healing, but for rifts and accumulating participation points its a dud of a soul (IMO).

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    I went all increased DPS forgeting traps atm. I also skipped out on Time Bomb atm but will be picking it up with my next point. I have 9 right now in NB, 5/5 in increased combo builders and 4/5 in increased Finishers. Sadly my work computer is havign issues with ZAM so I cannot link the proper build yet.

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    Please do so later. I've been playing with my Sab, and I'll be honest - nothing is more gratifying in PVP. Of course the qq'ers dont understand the mechanic behind playing the class. Anyway, my point being is, its my alternate role and its the only thing in that role. Ive been highly successful with just it, mainly because I didnt know what to pair it with. Sin = Assassin I'm guessing? I'd be interested to see what your spec turns out like. Right now I have nearly all my points in making my the charges/detonate more powerful. Without looking, I wanna say it looks about like this: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M_T_..qVMbE00o
    Mainly because I'm curious about Land Mines, but I'll probably spec it down so I have more points in my second soul.
    Last edited by nuki255; 03-02-2011 at 07:35 AM.

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    This is my current build, next point I will get time bomb and then next double point I will add to my finisher damage. And yes, Sin is assassin.

    http://www.riftnation.com/plugins/ri...19,5_&lang=eng

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    If you get 1 point into charge booster make sure you stack 5 DIFFERENT charges before detonating. Why you say? Why not just spam blast charge and detonate?

    Well with charge booster 5 charges of blast = 6

    However 5 charges of different types = 10 charges

    Dont believe me? Go test it out on a mob!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishniana View Post
    If you get 1 point into charge booster make sure you stack 5 DIFFERENT charges before detonating. Why you say? Why not just spam blast charge and detonate?

    Well with charge booster 5 charges of blast = 6

    However 5 charges of different types = 10 charges

    Dont believe me? Go test it out on a mob!
    1) first, you cannot have more than 5 charges of the same kind.
    so if you do 5x blast, charge booster dont give you a 6th one.

    2) secondly, 5 charges of different types is not DPS optimized: some charges are physical, other do earth damage, other only stun or slow.
    if you focus on charges that deal physical damage you have the choice of blast, spike, shrapnel.
    additionally to benefit from synergy given by demolition specialist perk, you either use blast or spike.
    3) it happens blast have a skill that ignore up to 50% of target armor.
    hence blast charge is the preffered charge of a saboteur, even with charge booster.

    4) what setup to use then?
    do 4 blast charges and 1 spike , with charge booster its akin to 5 blast charges and 2 spikes.
    the crit damage of that setup is higher than any other setup type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishniana View Post
    Well with charge booster 5 charges of blast = 6

    However 5 charges of different types = 10 charges

    Dont believe me? Go test it out on a mob!
    And this is why people complain about sab burst.... I tried all trap sab instead, then got 1 point in this with no +dex or +15% dmg talent, ... and was out damaging the guys spamming all blast charges.

    Oh and my experience is that the CC spamming trap build gets more favor and rift contribution than charge spam, have fun with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kungfuchknoodle View Post
    And this is why people complain about sab burst.... I tried all trap sab instead, then got 1 point in this with no +dex or +15% dmg talent, ... and was out damaging the guys spamming all blast charges.

    Oh and my experience is that the CC spamming trap build gets more favor and rift contribution than charge spam, have fun with that.
    But not nearly as much fun. If you are concerned with amount of Favor in WFs try a bard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bantapoo View Post
    1) first, you cannot have more than 5 charges of the same kind.
    so if you do 5x blast, charge booster dont give you a 6th one.

    2) secondly, 5 charges of different types is not DPS optimized: some charges are physical, other do earth damage, other only stun or slow. 5 types that do damage, doesnt matter what, it applies a second charge for each, ie 5 extra, ie double, the CC charges get the benefit too, but im talking burst
    if you focus on charges that deal physical damage you have the choice of blast, spike, shrapnel.
    additionally to benefit from synergy given by demolition specialist perk, you either use blast or spike.
    3) it happens blast have a skill that ignore up to 50% of target armor. half do earth, ignore 100%
    hence blast charge is the preffered charge of a saboteur, even with charge booster.and thats why so many sabs dont get the complaints, because they're gimping themselves

    4) what setup to use then?
    do 4 blast charges and 1 spike , with charge booster its akin to 5 blast charges and 2 spikes.
    the crit damage of that setup is higher than any other setup type. and the base damage of 5 random charges almost or is higher than the entire blast charge critting, since its 2x by default
    Yea, um... not much more to say on that, other than there are more than 5 damage causing charges, so some of your comments are just pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rykin View Post
    But not nearly as much fun. If you are concerned with amount of Favor in WFs try a bard.
    Bomb not as fun as charge sab? Really. you enjoy hitting tab and then spamming 6 or 7 buttons over and over? Well, thats just lazy.
    Last edited by kungfuchknoodle; 03-02-2011 at 08:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishniana View Post
    If you get 1 point into charge booster make sure you stack 5 DIFFERENT charges before detonating. Why you say? Why not just spam blast charge and detonate?

    Well with charge booster 5 charges of blast = 6

    However 5 charges of different types = 10 charges

    Dont believe me? Go test it out on a mob!
    Tried this today both in pvp and on mobs. It requires more thought thats for sure, but it definitely works. Killed two players repeatedly in the Gorge using this technique. Both times it was easily an 80-85% hp burn. Mind you, this was on a rogue and mage both in their low thirties. I like it, but I'm not sure I'd be able to focus that well in a massive pvp situation. I'd definitely do this for duels though.

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    I am playing as Marksman/Nightblade/Riftstalker in PvP and I always will, I enjoy the challenge since Saboteurs are now the overpowered FotM DPS class.

    Many people think Marksman = mage in leather with energy, standing still on his little platform and spamming his deadeye shots. Those people, I say, are playing Marksman completely wrong.

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    Maybe I should switch back. I suck with a Sab. Couldnt one on one with a bard today. Between self healing and whatever she was offensively, I just couldnt hang. Maybe I should be a tank. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by nand chan View Post
    I am playing as Marksman/Nightblade/Riftstalker in PvP and I always will, I enjoy the challenge since Saboteurs are now the overpowered FotM DPS class.

    Many people think Marksman = mage in leather with energy, standing still on his little platform and spamming his deadeye shots. Those people, I say, are playing Marksman completely wrong.
    I'd be interesting in your spec!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SinisterUrge View Post
    I'd be interesting in your spec!
    The problem is really, that the most of range roque has no plan how to play the class correctly.
    I'm even lvl 21 but play just PVP and I'm always, surely about 90%, on the top 5 in the DMG/meter and regarding the kills under the top 3.

    I know the MM has been nerfed a lot, but If you know how to play the class correctly, is it still fun and competitive in PVP. On the other hand, I find a Sabo quite boring to play.....
    Last edited by maximillius; 03-03-2011 at 02:43 AM.

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