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    Default New Primalist - trying to get a grip on the class

    Just starting my 1st primalist (I have a 63cleric, 50war, 46mage, and 41rogue) and trying to get a handle on the class. This toon will be played exclusively with 2 other friends' chloromancer and dps war.

    In instances, I'll probably be the tank since titan seems to have some great multifunctionality (we're hoping to 3man most content). That seems obvious & I'll figure that out when I come to it. Probably something with some self-sustainability so the others can dps as hard as possible.

    I'm thinking for general fast world leveling an AOE dps spec is going to optimal?

    Suggestions? I've been screwing around with Dervish but while the st dps is great, I've played Rift enough to know that range+aoe makes for fast leveling. I'd run with that (Typhoon?), but that (I expect?) would probably require a clearly different set of gear than Titan-spec. Easier to sacrifice some utility to be able to just have one gear set that I can use reasonably well in either role?

    Am I off base in my thoughts?

    So berserker seems a logical choice, but ...Orangu's berserker guide basically starts with "this spec sucks hard at single target dps, and the aoe dps sucks too" ...so not really a super-attractive spec.... :|

    What's left? Do I just futz around and try to come up with a berserker/dervish hybrid or might I just as effectively find a berserk/titan spec, accept that my aoe dps will be 'meh', and know I won't have to switch up too much when we go into instances?

    Not going to PVP at all, so that doesn't matter.
    I honestly don't care about bleeding-edge-of-raid-perfection specs with BiS everywhere.

    We're *very* long time MMO players who just want to have fun, I'm mainly looking for suggestions - if not actual specs - that will allow me to be sure I'm pulling my weight.

    Thanks for any advice you have.

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    Primalist is the worst class for open world and levelling content. I would suggest rerolling if this is your intention.

    Primalists only current strengths are Tanking and Raid instanced scripted boss fight DPS.

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    Berserker doesn't hybrid too well with other souls. And it's single target DPS really is that bad. The AOE burst can't be beat though.


    If you're playing with 2 friends the whole time, maybe Titan-Dervish plus 0 point Preserver for the heal from Nurture. The beacon will give your friends a bit of shielding, and you can use the pulls from dervish and titan to gather crap up so your friends can burn it all down.
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    Ouch, thanks both for the info.
    Ha ha, I was actually afraid that by my taking the Primalist (ie not a base class, something people had to buy) that I'd be playing something OP compared to them.

    Well...I'm not worried anymore!

    We're already 25 and pretty much 3-man cruising through instances at-level. So you're right that it does work decently as a tank, anyway. IF we continue as planned - and if we continue to gain levels from instances at the rate we have been - we may just end up being a group that's leveling in dungeon content.

    I have a 42 rogue as well now...I'm sort of wondering if I shouldn't plan to jump over to her when we're at that point, if she'd be a better tank & general value group member.

    If I can ask, what makes it suck so hard in open-world leveling, etc. No speed buffs, general crap DPS, anything specific? I have to imagine it WAS OP at one time, and then after it was no longer shiny and new, it got the nerf-hammer and never came back? Or was it fundamentally flawed originally?

    Again, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by styopa View Post
    If I can ask, what makes it suck so hard in open-world leveling, etc. No speed buffs, general crap DPS, anything specific? I have to imagine it WAS OP at one time, and then after it was no longer shiny and new, it got the nerf-hammer and never came back? Or was it fundamentally flawed originally?

    Again, thanks!
    Prim was never really good for doing Pre L65 open world content compared to other classes, not a nerf or something
    kinda more possible after L65.
    its kinda more for tanking and dpsing in 99% of scenarios.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bishoujo View Post
    Prim was never really good for doing Pre L65 open world content compared to other classes, not a nerf or something
    kinda more possible after L65.
    its kinda more for tanking and dpsing in 99% of scenarios.
    Thanks

    So it was sort of implemented as an instance-specialist class more than anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by styopa View Post
    Thanks

    So it was sort of implemented as an instance-specialist class more than anything?
    Pretty much right.

    But like I said, after L65 you can do some more open world stuff thanks to legendary stuff, and that's pretty much it.

    might have a chance at being an aoe healer also at 4.2 when it comes out and if its viable

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    I so wish I saw this before I got the class unlocked hehe. I guess maybe this will be my 2nd character. I been working on a main character to 70 one that is decent at open world pve/soloing.

    Thanks for the info though here.
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    For tanking instances, I'd favor primalist over rogue by a bit. Though rogue is still pretty good.


    For open world stuff, I'd go rogue, and it's not even close. For open world, you want good single target DPS plus some decent AOE plus good survivability. It's hard to get even two of these in a primalist build. It's easy for a rogue to get all three.


    For low levels, nightblade + 4 in tact for curative engine. High levels, bladedancer + 4 tact will cruise through anything and never worry about dying.


    One positive of primalist is that at level 66 you can get legendary essence strike, which does decent healing, and will also heal your friends too.
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    I myself went for Shaman for the more open world exploration can do a bit of everything but not great end game class
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    I think one of the biggest problems with Primalist is the way they set up the skill tree.

    Every other class has far more points which allows for more customization. So even after they add the remaining souls, there is still much more limitation on the class as far as points because there are less points and less options for points.

    Eventually I feel they will prune the other classes down to what Primalist is, i assume this was their goal since they made the primalist have like 30 some points instead of hte standard million, lol

    So, the Primalist is probably a template of what to expect in the future for the other classes. Which sure it would seem like they are all getting nerfed but if that is the way they end up going. all future content will be balanced around that, and it will make classes less homogenized in terms of strengths and weaknesses.

    I mean its cool that everyone can do everything, but even the "flavor" of it is being kinda lost with all the dramatic hybrid specs that can be made.

    Obviously some classes shine more than others though and that will never change. That's just how it goes. If Class A, does 1% more healing than Class B, Class A will always be preferred, the end.

    Anyways, I'm ranting. TL;DR the class has limited customization for its souls, it's lacking souls, and it is a pay for class so unfortunately its on the back burner for the Devs

    I went in face first into this and hit rock bottom quick. I both love and hate the class. I love the play style and the specs, but i hate that it feel SO weak in open world anything.
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    Red face The Primalist

    Just because the primalist has fewer points does not mean that he is worse than others. From experience I know that he makes really good DPS. I have a lvl 50 primalist. And on lvl 70 the primalist is not to be underestimated.
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    Primalist has fewer abilities overall as well. ..

    Trust me fewer talent points and fewer buttons to push has nothing to do with how much crap primalists could put out.

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    I'm not saying that Primalists are bad dps, I am saying they are bad solo, they have very limited hybrid options, and at current without the rest of the souls it lacks a lot. The class has a lot of gaps. Anything Primalist can do other classes do better

    OTHER THAN, (as everyone tells me) PVE DPS on a scripted boss where they have exp and know when to do things exactly. They are however fragile, for solo content from my personal exp.

    Maybe its just this xpack though idk. I dont have any other 70s as of yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WildKatt View Post
    OTHER THAN, (as everyone tells me) PVE DPS on a scripted boss where they have exp and know when to do things exactly.
    And also PvE dps on a scripted boss where they don't have experience and don't know when to do things exactly.

    I would disagree that Primalist has fewer hybrid options because of a smaller soul tree. Yes, there are literally fewer possible builds, however, as far as creating useful builds, Primalist is right in line. 61 pt specs waste a lot of points on talents and aspects that won't be used just to get to higher points.
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