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    ok so question...Archon so i get this roll may be useful end game for raids... but so far at level 15-19 its useless... this class needs alot of love... you go to pvp and u dont do damage... or heals... u buff and dont get a reward for it? ok ... so that means archon = no pvp i guess ? .... and rifts.... the same.... so no rifts? oh so 2 big parts of the game u lose out on... even tho ur supporting ur allies?... may aswell remove the class and put its spells in 2 other trees... cause so far its totally fail lol
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    welcome to support classes.

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    yes its a support class thats pretty much it...and rifts as long as your casting debuffs, buffs, and spells you are gaining contribution pts the same way as anyone else. PvP they are great because they empower your allies and ruin your enemies stats along with removing buffs from enemies allowing your allies to kill and you gain the win. Your not meant to do damage or anything and they never should add more damage to them....thats what a 2nd and 3rd role is for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zizos View Post
    yes its a support class thats pretty much it...and rifts as long as your casting debuffs, buffs, and spells you are gaining contribution pts the same way as anyone else. PvP they are great because they empower your allies and ruin your enemies stats along with removing buffs from enemies allowing your allies to kill and you gain the win. Your not meant to do damage or anything and they never should add more damage to them....thats what a 2nd and 3rd role is for.
    i think its more the lack of contribution.

    With dps or healing classes you get points in rifts and can visably see your work in the scoreboard on warfronts.

    I agree but theres not alot they can do, count buffs cast? seems a bit bluerggh?
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    It appears your english skills are indicative as to your intelligence (or lack thereof).

    The archon class is powerful, you just clearly are not sure how to use it correctly. Judging by your post you'd be better off playing something that isn't a support class. The Archon itself is pretty balanced, and quite helpful in both warfronts are rifts. I believe its the lack of dps that is offsetting your belief.

    Seriously, do not play an archon if you're after dps. They are a marvelous buffing utility, but on their own they are not good. Their contribution during a rift: they debuff the enemy via insta-casts, lowering the enemies armor (melee do more damage against them) and increasing all spell damage done to them (casters do more damage against them). They can also use their charge to lower the enemies damage done. This is the BASE of an Archon. The damage associated with it is minimal, but they are able to tab between all enemies and just stack the first debuffs on everyone!


    In a warfront, its the same deal. Very low mana cost to cast these debuffs.

    Like I said, just seems to me you don't really understand or comprehend the usage of an Archon. I strongly suggest you to play something that goes "pew pew"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naebie View Post
    ok so question...Archon so i get this roll may be useful end game for raids... but so far at level 15-19 its useless... this class needs alot of love... you go to pvp and u dont do damage... or heals... u buff and dont get a reward for it? ok ... so that means archon = no pvp i guess ? .... and rifts.... the same.... so no rifts? oh so 2 big parts of the game u lose out on... even tho ur supporting ur allies?... may aswell remove the class and put its spells in 2 other trees... cause so far its totally fail lol
    You start out fine but finish with trash.

    Archon a support class, benefits the group you are working with. You are not a healer, you are not damage, you support your team with debuffs and buff.

    The contribution system will need work. I know warhammer had the same issue for healers.

    So yes the system needs some tweaks. What game in its first year gets everything right? wait what? its not released yet? Ohh take your time.

    The last sentance has the whole tear in the eye kickin dirt feel to it. Way to finish out with an lol to mask your frustration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Naebie View Post
    ok so question...Archon so i get this roll may be useful end game for raids... but so far at level 15-19 its useless... this class needs alot of love... you go to pvp and u dont do damage... or heals... u buff and dont get a reward for it? I really think contribution should rate damage/healing/support all the same. I don't think it is fair that damage will reach top contribution even though I was just as vital in completing the rift. This really needs to be worked on or people will rarely do anything other then Damage during rifts.
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    ok perhaps i didnt put my point accross clearly.... im level 15 i want to save up for the mage pvp soul... i wish to play archon to aid others in every way, i like the class idea, but when i go into a rift or pvp i have to dps / heal to get on the grid to actually earn points to better my toon... so from what i can tell you cant actually be a pure support class except at end game? as for people moaning and being ignorant because im spelling poorly or have bad grammar... well tough luck i guess... some of us haven't be schooled to the same levels as your big headed egocentric arseholed familys enjoy


    so on a cover note... i want to support but i want to have the game tell me well done for helping... heres some points... but so far the game seems unable to do this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naebie View Post
    ok perhaps i didnt put my point accross clearly.... im level 15 i want to save up for the mage pvp soul... i wish to play archon to aid others in every way, i like the class idea, but when i go into a rift or pvp i have to dps / heal to get on the grid to actually earn points to better my toon... so from what i can tell you cant actually be a pure support class except at end game? as for people moaning and being ignorant because im spelling poorly or have bad grammar... well tough luck i guess... some of us haven't be schooled to the same levels as your big headed egocentric arseholed familys enjoy


    so on a cover note... i want to support but i want to have the game tell me well done for helping... heres some points... but so far the game seems unable to do this.
    Much better. I usually ignore the grammer police people. Then tend to nitpick every little word. I will agree it is funny when the grammer police come in to correct the everyday nerd rager though (not you).

    Support classes have always been more difficult to level then other classes. It's the nature of the beast. Healers/Support are there to make the people around them better. If you are left alone you are at a huge disadvantage. It's like playing a hunter/ranger without a pet. So no matter what you do Archon "SHOULD" be more difficult to play through solo parts.

    The contribution issue isn't a class issue its just a math issue. How does one weigh support healing damage. I could make a lazy support class and just sit back and spam buffs to boost my contribution. It's a tricky thing to balance...but they should figure something out. Be patient my friend.

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    well so long as they are looking at it... i dont want to roll a support class if u cant actually use them lol its annoying in the least, but ill live with it i guess... help the guild more than myself
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    All these people saying that the Archon can't dps, must not be trying to dps. So far I've found this soul pretty awesome at killing people, at least in combination with Necromancer. All of my game time has been spent with these two souls.

    The way I see Archon working, is that it's about stacking % bonuses to your damage... and if you stack them correctly and in the right order, you can become absolutely dangerous. I don't have any points in Rising Vengeance yet, so I'm nowhere near the true dps potential of the class, but if you hit Power Drain and then Rock Slide (so they are both going off at the same time) AND you have Crumbling Resistance on an enemy, their health starts dropping like... a rock slide.

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    This is my goal build, I obviously do not have all of it, and that's why I use Rock Slide when it's not present in the build, because I'm still testing things, but the Essence Link healing debuff really screws people over.

    The build is designed to support, in both PvE and PvP, and it can heal a bit too, but it's also designed to become a complete nuke every time the appropriate cooldowns are up.

    Rising Vengeance (passive 15% damage increase) + Waning Power (10%) -> Lich Form (20%) -> Power Drain (10%), on a target that has Crumbling Resistance on them (7%) = Pain, so much pain. Hit Earthen Barrage and then spam Pillaging Stone. It's too bad about not having access to the higher up Archon spells, but I wanted the build to be this way, and I think it will nuke well enough. Obviously anyone can play around with the idea.

    You can also reverse this concept, and apply multiple % damage decreases to someone, by using Waning Power -> Looming Demise -> Power Drain.

    Really, use more Power Drain. You can apply it while channeling something else, like Rock Slide or Soul Purge, or anything, I'm not very familiar with the other Mage souls. And remember that buffing people is optional, you get all these abilities to increase your stats to make up for the drains you put on yourself... but if you want to dps harder, consider buffing only yourself. (I don't do this, but if you can't seem to get Archon to dps, you might want to consider it, Pillaging Stone stacks + Rock Slide stacks seems like a very nice amount of bonus Intelligence.)

    With proper support in warfronts (situations where I am not the only healer.. and by healer I mean sort of healer) Archon/Necromancer can massacre people. Increase the damage they take, debuff their healing, and you can healnuke at the same time with Soul Purge.

    ...I think the world needs more Archon/Necromancers. It's so awesome.

    And this has been my biased opinion. Hope this helps/inspires.
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    ^ Like the previous poster, summon class (ele ou nec) really helps the Archon to solo in PvE.

    Also, you don't need to use your skill (unbuff urself to buff party) when you are solo.
    Only use your - armor spell for the pet.
    Then DoT spells and spam Stone.

    Done. Easy solo.

    In rifts, I ALWAYS get the first place. How ? I just spam debuff on monsters. CTRL CTRL CTRL CTRL all the time.
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    Debuffs are weighted very heavily in rifts. It is how i get high contribution on my Necro consistently. Debuff a bunch and Consumption thier buffs and bam, big contribution.

    Same works in rifts with Archon. Hit them with the debuffs.

    However if you want to lay on some better damage as an Archon will still being an Archon look into splashing Pyromancer. Ignition, Improved Fireball and Combust turn your Fireball into a beastly nuke that works well with the Archon branch abilities. The high crit rate Fireball with Exhilaration made my Archon build never run out of mana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasino View Post
    It appears your english skills are indicative as to your intelligence (or lack thereof).

    The archon class is powerful, you just clearly are not sure how to use it correctly. Judging by your post you'd be better off playing something that isn't a support class. The Archon itself is pretty balanced, and quite helpful in both warfronts are rifts. I believe its the lack of dps that is offsetting your belief.

    Seriously, do not play an archon if you're after dps. They are a marvelous buffing utility, but on their own they are not good. Their contribution during a rift: they debuff the enemy via insta-casts, lowering the enemies armor (melee do more damage against them) and increasing all spell damage done to them (casters do more damage against them). They can also use their charge to lower the enemies damage done. This is the BASE of an Archon. The damage associated with it is minimal, but they are able to tab between all enemies and just stack the first debuffs on everyone!


    In a warfront, its the same deal. Very low mana cost to cast these debuffs.

    Like I said, just seems to me you don't really understand or comprehend the usage of an Archon. I strongly suggest you to play something that goes "pew pew"
    Just wanted to point out you could have made your valid point without the snotty first sentence. Did the ad hominem serve any purpose at all?

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    Personally, I find the Archon a great class. True, I've only had the chance to try him out with a pyro+elementalist, or with my endgame build, or how I am dreaming it, warlock/archon/elementalist, or http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0z....AResRfiqkrz.m for longer.
    I will be one of the few people who will be full 51 Archon, and hopefully also, enjoy it.
    I highly enjoy the idea of being a buffbot or a debuff-bot, and having friends to play with all the way to 50 and at 50, hopefully, this will truly be a good build for me, and for them.

    Archon isn't the most powerful class at the moment, but it is not underpowered as people seem to think. Just think of the options, not just the negatives.
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