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    Default Mage Hybrid Tank Discussion

    Because you don't need 61 points in the tank soul for raid bosses anymore I would like to discuss possible hybrid specs.

    I have no practical experience with the Mage as a tank so the following are only theoretical assumptions:
    • you need at least 8 points in the arbiter soul for the Arcane Ward Buff when you can tank a boss on your own or 12 points for Legendary Biting Wind if you need to tank switch a boss

    Possible useful hybrid tank specs:

    If you need more HP you can put more points into the Arbiter ability Hardened Souls.
    • Archontank (full archon support and tank in one spec)
    • Chlorotank with Warlock or Chlorotank with Frostkeeper (full chloro can groupheal a raid alone, cleanse, battlerez, Natural Conversion, has a lot of hp)
    • Ele/Chloro/Arbiter (can groupheal a raid alone, more dmg than a fullchloro but no taunt, battlerez and cleanse, without Lifegiving Veil probably a good dd tank)
    • Harbinger/Ele/Arbiter or Harbinger/Chloro/Arbiter (with Legendary Empyrean Ascension 20 % damage reduce, 20 % dodge chance, runspeed, charge, teleport, good all rounder with good cleave damage, probably the funniest tank spec to play)
    • Froskeepertank (may be able to heal himself and the raid alone with bosses like Commander Isiel)
    • 61 Pyrotank (probably a good dd)
    • WarlockTank (probably usable dd with nice CDs like Neddra's Essence and some self-healing)
    • MysticArchertank (?)
    • DominatorTank (probably not usable in a meaningful way)

    Chlorotank or Archontank should be the most effective mage tank hybrid spec because it allows an additional full-fledged DD. Thanks to the Archon auras with the passive Wellspring (16 %) ability, Legendary Radiant Spores (5 %) and Powerdrain (10%) you also have a decent dmg reduce. Theoretically, the damage of radiant spores should be increased by 100% by the Archon's Bulwark + Vile Spores (refresh radiant spores with the 62 mastery bullwark of souls and Vile Spores). I don't know how good the spec is if you have to keep the agro from multiple adds, possibly a soul like the storm-caller (Forked Lightning) instead of chloro can help out here.

    I haven't tested any of this, it's all just theories.



    If you have cool ideas for hybrid tank specs or already practical experiences please post them here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamul View Post
    Because you don't need 61 points in the tank soul for raid bosses anymore I would like to discuss possible hybrid specs.

    I have no practical experience with the Mage as a tank, the following is only theory:
    • you need at least 8 points in the arbiter soul for the Arcane Ward Buff when you can tank a boss on your own or 12 points for Legendary Biting Wind if you need to tank switch a boss

    Possible useful hybrid tank specs:
    • Archontank (full archon support and tank in one spec)
    • Chlorotank (full chloro can groupheal a raid alone)
    • Ele/Chloro/Arbiter (can groupheal a raid alone, more dmg than a fullchloro but no battlerez and cleanse, without Lifegiving Veil probably a good dd)
    • Harbinger/Ele/Arbiter or Harbinger/Chloro/Arbiter (with Legendary Empyrean Ascension 20 % damage reduce, good all rounder with good cleave damage, probably the funniest tank spec to play)
    • Froskeepertank (may be able to heal himself and the raid alone with bosses like Commander Isiel)
    • 61 Pyrotank (probably a good dd)
    • MysticArchertank (?)

    If the Archontank works it should probably be the most effective mage tank hybrid spec because it allows an additional full-fledged DD. Thanks to the Archon auras with the passive Wellspring (16 %) ability, Legendary Radiant Spores (5 %) and Powerdrain (10%) you also have a decent dmg reduce. Theoretically, the damage of radiant spores should be increased by 100% by the Archon's Bulwark + Vile Spores (refresh radiant spores with the 62 mastery bullwark of souls and Vile Spores). I don't know how good the spec is if you have to keep the agro from multiple adds, possibly a soul like the storm-caller (Forked Lightning) instead of chloro can help out here.

    Harbinger/Ele/Arbiter is probably not the best but funniest spec to play, plays practically like a classic harb spec.

    I haven't tested any of this, it's all just theories.



    If you have cool ideas for hybrid tank specs or already practical experiences please post them here.
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    Hybrid tanks are now officially desired and no longer fall into the category of bugusing.

    RIFT Patch - February 6, 2019
    Raids: In preparation for future content releases, and to encourage more hybridization amongst tanks in raids, we have removed Legendary Hits from bosses in Bastion of Steel, Tartaric Depths and Intrepid Rise of the Phoenix.

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    https://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#...BlaGGll5i|T_Xg

    Keep up Living Storm, Withering Vine, Spam Thunder Shock (and core arbiter abilities)

    61pt gcd reduction+ Thunder Shock is a direct gain on hps

    1.2-4mil hps, isiel prooved

    How much do the others do?
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    61 Chloro tank and 58 Ele/Chloro tank probably similar to the full-fledged alternatives - the 20% heal reduction of Arcane Ward.

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    This was my first attempt at Archon tank


    https://prancingturtle.com/Encounter...ageDone/205840
    Pretty poor dps I know, but I hadn't played a non Ele Chon for so long so I'm pretty sure I messed it up.
    Falling (cleric) tank played it safe and didn't too much when it was my turn to have agro, just in case.


    I'm fairly sure I could solo heal Azranel in 61 Chloro / Arb as long as people didn't take too much unnecessary damage. Might be trying that this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archyface View Post
    This was my first attempt at Archon tank ...
    Nice, I'd like to know if you can also tank Commander Isiel with the Archontank ? The whole dmg mitigation of the archon should help to survive the hard hits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamul View Post
    Nice, I'd like to know if you can also tank Commander Isiel with the Archontank ? The whole dmg mitigation of the archon should help to survive the hard hits.

    The vindicator's purple aoe still does a Legendary Hit, so no it wouldn't work UNLESS you can be absolutely sure your MT will not die. Falling worked this out the hard way prior to my run, hence why I didn't even bother trying
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archyface View Post
    The vindicator's purple aoe still does a Legendary Hit, so no it wouldn't work UNLESS you can be absolutely sure your MT will not die. Falling worked this out the hard way prior to my run, hence why I didn't even bother trying
    Maybe you have a combatlog of the fight? Theoretically that would be a bug if legendary hits still exist.

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    I have a theory.

    If you're flagged as a tank, the Irradiated Field (Vindicator MK1) only makes max 10k damage. For all others it makes over 600k damage without legendary hits.

    So maybe it is hard coded for Irradiated Field and only hybrid specs that have enough points in the tank soul (tank flagged in the raid window) can survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    How much do the others do?
    61 ChloroTank:
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...43/unknown.png

    But both mages play without the Warlock soul, which in my eyes is the best 0 point soul because Legendary Life Leech can trigger the group healing from Lifegiving Veil and do more damage than any other 0 point soul.

    With the additional points into Raging Flood(Arbiter) you increase the healing and damage by 5 % and the charge generation by 15 %. More charge means more uptime for Entropic Veil which increases damage and healing by 16%. I think the combination of Legendary Life Leech and Raging Flood increases the damage and healing more than 6% Spellpower from another soul. Maybe 6 % Spellpower is better because it constantly increases the healing while Warlock has more fluctuations. Should be tested if you have the time and muse.

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    breaking news: Tarfa and Hmm is the same

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    Once the hybrid meta arrives magetanks might be busy tanking on archont or Mt with that spec. Non leg. Ebb and Flow is a ~30% hps gain when going for min58 anyway.

    ->> Maybe you can help me on one thing. Some Arbiter abilities seem to 'randomly' trigger strong aoe healing with the icon of Ice Clerity(31pts) which seem to have no clear origin in the Arbiter tree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamul View Post
    I have a theory.

    If you're flagged as a tank, the Irradiated Field (Vindicator MK1) only makes max 10k damage. For all others it makes over 600k damage without legendary hits.

    So maybe it is hard coded for Irradiated Field and only hybrid specs that have enough points in the tank soul (tank flagged in the raid window) can survive.
    Isn't the void just ticking legendary? (guardbuff alone does not help which might count as tankspec)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    Isn't the void just ticking legendary? (guardbuff alone does not help which might count as tankspec)
    Legendary hits are usually displayed separately.
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...18/unknown.png
    But on Prancingturtle I didn't see any legendary hits from Vindicator in the uploads of the last weeks which leads me to suspect that the void is dependent on something else. Maybe it's enough to have enough points in the tank soul to show you as a tank in the raid window.

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    I see what you mean, like the idea. ~38 points (half of 76 should count you as the soultype you are on .? otherwise the one with the most points or something. Happy to see the results!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    I see what you mean, like the idea. ~38 points (half of 76 should count you as the soultype you are on .? otherwise the one with the most points or something. Happy to see the results!
    Hokhmah (Mystic/Tank Hybrid) was flagged as a tank in the group window and still took full damage from the Irradiated Field (Vindicator MK1). Looks like you still need 61 or 31 (Primalist) points in the tank soul for the Vindicator tank in phase 3.

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...38/unknown.png

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