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    awwww my mage is getting old I think...
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    Quote Originally Posted by phayse View Post
    Legendaries: ...Raging Elements...
    There isn't a legendary version of this skill, I believe you meant Rushing Elements.

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    #show Flame Bolt
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast @self arcane manipulation
    cast Internalize Charge <--- Eats away too much charge
    cast lightning strike <- Air skill
    cast Stormbolt <- Air skill
    cast Icy Carapace <--- Not benefitting from extra burst damage from Air skills
    cast Crystalline Missiles <--- Your macro should already have ended here
    cast Flame Bolt <--- Will not cast unless moving
    cast Countdown <--- Will not cast unless moving
    cast Rushing Elements
    cast Raging Elements
    cast Elemental Forces
    cast fireball (this casts only if the above drains charge to near zero)
    petattack
    Icy Carapace should be cast first before a air ability, in this case either Lightning Strike or Stormbolt, to get that early release damage.

    I have no clue how you can sustain charge through the fight and use all 3 charge consuming skills effectively. Internalized charge is not ideal for this spec imo, due to already having 2 big charge conusming skills (Legendary Elemental Forces and Raging Elements).

    By using Crystalline Missile after Icy Carapace, your spam macro should have already stopped there as it is a cast time skill with no cool down, so you Flame Bolt and Countdown will not be cast. Unless you are using the Legendary Crystalline Missile, which I doubt you are.

    This is my spam macro:

    #show Fireball
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Legendary Elemental Forces
    cast Intensify Elements
    cast Rushing Elements
    cast @gtae Legendary Fire Storm
    cast Flame Bolt
    cast Ethereal Blast
    cast Countdown
    cast Icy Carapace
    cast Stormbolt
    cast Lightning Strike
    cast Volcanic Eruption
    cast Fireball
    petattack

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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowYellow View Post
    There isn't a legendary version of this skill, I believe you meant Rushing Elements.



    Icy Carapace should be cast first before a air ability, in this case either Lightning Strike or Stormbolt, to get that early release damage.

    I have no clue how you can sustain charge through the fight and use all 3 charge consuming skills effectively. Internalized charge is not ideal for this spec imo, due to already having 2 big charge conusming skills (Legendary Elemental Forces and Raging Elements).

    By using Crystalline Missile after Icy Carapace, your spam macro should have already stopped there as it is a cast time skill with no cool down, so you Flame Bolt and Countdown will not be cast. Unless you are using the Legendary Crystalline Missile, which I doubt you are.

    This is my spam macro:

    #show Fireball
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Legendary Elemental Forces
    cast Intensify Elements
    cast Rushing Elements
    cast @gtae Legendary Fire Storm
    cast Flame Bolt
    cast Ethereal Blast
    cast Countdown
    cast Icy Carapace
    cast Stormbolt
    cast Lightning Strike
    cast Volcanic Eruption
    cast Fireball
    petattack
    Excellent Advice!!! I will follow it. You put Intensify Elements in your Spam macro; have you tried putting it in the Fire Storm Macro: IE. Neural Prod, Fire Storm?

    Also, are you watching for a full channel of Volcanic Eruption or just catching 1 tick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phayse View Post
    Excellent Advice!!! I will follow it. You put Intensify Elements in your Spam macro; have you tried putting it in the Fire Storm Macro: IE. Neural Prod, Fire Storm?

    Also, are you watching for a full channel of Volcanic Eruption or just catching 1 tick?
    I do have a separate "nuke" macro shown below, which is used at the start and every 30 seconds. I also put Raging Elements on a separate key to better manage it and Legendary Elemental Forces, I get better charge management by doing so.

    As for Volcanic Eruption, I am clipping it. If I have the 1 sec GCD then it will tick for a sec, same goes for 1.5 sec GCD.

    #show Elemental Burst
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast legendary Elemental Forces
    cast Intensify Elements
    cast Rushing Elements
    cast legendary neural prod
    cast @gtae Fire Storm
    cast legendary flame bolt
    cast legendary Elemental Burst

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    From my testing:

    ethereal blast is a DPS loss compared to arcane manipulation.
    fireball is a dps loss compared to crystalline missile
    lightning strike is a dps loss.

    my macros are:

    #show Elemental Burst
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Raging Elements
    cast Elemental Forces
    cast Intensify Elements
    cast Flame Bolt
    cast Countdown
    cast Rushing Elements
    cast icy carapace
    cast Stormbolt
    cast Crystalline Missiles
    cast Arcane Manipulation

    #show Elemental Burst
    cast Neural Prod
    cast @gtae Fire Storm
    cast Elemental Burst

    depending on ele burst and flame bolt proc RNG can be anywhere from 360-410k over a 4min parse

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    As of the last update, I wouldn't suggest Fire Storm on a 'spam' macro. It still has a 8 second cooldown but now lasts 30 seconds, so you should only apply it every 30 seconds (or if the boss moved out of your fire storm).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DammitBilly View Post
    From my testing:

    ethereal blast is a DPS loss compared to arcane manipulation.
    fireball is a dps loss compared to crystalline missile
    lightning strike is a dps loss.

    my macros are:

    #show Elemental Burst
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Raging Elements
    cast Elemental Forces
    cast Intensify Elements
    cast Flame Bolt
    cast Countdown
    cast Rushing Elements
    cast icy carapace
    cast Stormbolt
    cast Crystalline Missiles
    cast Arcane Manipulation

    #show Elemental Burst
    cast Neural Prod
    cast @gtae Fire Storm
    cast Elemental Burst

    depending on ele burst and flame bolt proc RNG can be anywhere from 360-410k over a 4min parse
    What build are you using that Lightning Strike is a DPS loss?
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    After doing more testing last night I have found that icy carapace is a dps loss aswell.

    In pyro tree I have specced into maximising primary bolt and single target damage, and when playing I use VE to maximise instant cast crystalline missile uptime, when using icy carapace I notice it does about 7k dps on my breakdown but drops crystalline missile damage by about 12-15k dps.

    I found lighting strike hits hard when you crit ~400k with IE up but I can't justify the 2.4 second cast time when you can get off 2x crystalline missiles and about 16 hits from elemental forces in the same space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DammitBilly View Post
    58/18/0

    After doing more testing last night I have found that icy carapace is a dps loss aswell.

    In pyro tree I have specced into maximising primary bolt and single target damage, and when playing I use VE to maximise instant cast crystalline missile uptime, when using icy carapace I notice it does about 7k dps on my breakdown but drops crystalline missile damage by about 12-15k dps.

    I found lighting strike hits hard when you crit ~400k with IE up but I can't justify the 2.4 second cast time when you can get off 2x crystalline missiles and about 16 hits from elemental forces in the same space.
    Lightning Strike has a one second cast time if you spec into it.

    There are other things to not spend your points in that would be more beneficial.

    EDIT: Never mind you use Elemental Burst

    At this point I can only give advice if you post a damage breakdown. You also seem to assume that Elemental forces will always be up, when in reality it's a huge charge consumer and doesn't have 100% uptime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWeirdOne View Post
    Lightning Strike has a one second cast time if you spec into it.

    There are other things to not spend your points in that would be more beneficial.

    EDIT: Never mind you use Elemental Burst

    At this point I can only give advice if you post a damage breakdown. You also seem to assume that Elemental forces will always be up, when in reality it's a huge charge consumer and doesn't have 100% uptime.
    His use of VE to maintain instant cast crystalline missiles would lead me to believe his intentions are to spam crystalline missiles with elemental forces as much as possible. On pts I experimented trying to maintain all 4 cycles as much as possible to determine if this would be more dps than an instant cast spam macro while waiting for elemental burst to be back up. I gave up trying to figure it out as I grew tired and frustrated with RNG elemental burst.

    That being said I have a macro with Legendary elemental forces and crystalline missiles in it that I believe is a dps gain over most abilities when all 4 cycles are up. its a decent rotation mechanic to mess around with instead of zzz majority 1 button spam

    Also legendary elemental forces is an insane damage contribution so 100% uptime or not it's got some gusto worth trying to squeeze more out of
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    Quote Originally Posted by makerofwidows View Post

    Also legendary elemental forces is an insane damage contribution so 100% uptime or not it's got amazing spa contribution. I'm not sure how the parse scourge linked has firestorm doing so much dps
    Never really contested that Legendary Elemental Forces does a huge amount of DPS. It does, but the context he was using this in is that Legendary Elemental forces stops being used when using anything with a cast time, I.E. He's assuming it has 100% uptime when it doesn't.

    Either way a one second cast time should not make him waste any Legendary Elemental Forces procs. From the huge amount of charge gain from Lightning Strike it should end up giving him more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWeirdOne View Post
    Never really contested that Legendary Elemental Forces does a huge amount of DPS. It does, but the context he was using this in is that Legendary Elemental forces stops being used when using anything with a cast time, I.E. He's assuming it has 100% uptime when it doesn't.

    I think in the firestorm parse he is hitting more then one target with firestorm.
    I think it's more of trying to proc as many elemental force stacks in 1 gcd as possible so when you can instant 4 cycle crystalline missiles you're using 1 gcd to proc at least 4/5 of the elemental force stacks so worst case scenario you're getting another 5 stacks of it to be used on your 3rd gcd. maybe it's better to use the 4cycle CM when you have at least 2 stacks of elemental forces. Possibly threading crystalline missiles along side spam macro every other gcd when you have all 4 cycles up. 1 stack or less you're in spam macro two or more with 4 cycles running you're going for a CM

    But this is just splitting hairs it's not a flaw in rotation 1 way or the other. I think this is something to consider at extremely high levels of min maxing. The groups that would care about this kind of min maxing would just stack runeshapers for dps and not take a mage.


    Also to the OP this post belongs in mage discussion as asking what is top dps is not a guide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWeirdOne View Post
    Lightning Strike has a one second cast time if you spec into it.

    There are other things to not spend your points in that would be more beneficial.

    EDIT: Never mind you use Elemental Burst

    At this point I can only give advice if you post a damage breakdown. You also seem to assume that Elemental forces will always be up, when in reality it's a huge charge consumer and doesn't have 100% uptime.
    ok i had another test with lightning strike in my macro above crystalline missile, it was a 4k DPS gain however i now run out of mana about 20 seconds faster. 3:15 i am OOM compared to 3:35 without lightning stirke. average over 5 parses was 400k top was 420k, lowest was 388k over 3 minute parses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DammitBilly View Post
    ok i had another test with lightning strike in my macro above crystalline missile, it was a 4k DPS gain however i now run out of mana about 20 seconds faster. 3:15 i am OOM compared to 3:35 without lightning stirke. average over 5 parses was 400k top was 420k, lowest was 388k over 3 minute parses.
    Dammitbilly do you mind posting a more detailed post with what legendaries you're using and you're updated macros? Thanks!
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