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    Default Devs, what's your plan?

    So, now that Cleric healers have become Chloros with more armor, range, hit points, control options, DPS, and self-healing abilities than actual Chloros have....what are your plans to make Chloros relevant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azuli View Post
    So, now that Cleric healers have become Chloros with more armor, range, hit points, control options, DPS, and self-healing abilities than actual Chloros have....what are your plans to make Chloros relevant?

    Mage/Cleric dev is now Kervik.
    Cleric healers have always had better self healing options than Chloros.
    You are wrong in saying Clerics have more hit points than Chloros.
    CHloros are stil ahead of healing Clerics in terms of DPS.
    Mages have always had the lowest armor.
    Only inquisitors have higher range than a chloro, and Chloro has always had very few control options.
    Last edited by Katosu; 05-06-2013 at 01:27 PM.

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    Yeah well clerics can't throw plants at people! So there!
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    Chloromancers are definitely behind in pvp; I'd be fine with a less-harsh valor reduction on their healing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahov View Post
    Chloromancers are definitely behind in pvp; I'd be fine with a less-harsh valor reduction on their healing.
    Wow...
    Just...
    Wow.

    Seriously, you brag about your main being a mage now, and you say things like this here?
    AHAHAHAHA

    *coughs*
    Sorry.

    Not really.

    Fact of the matter is that valor has not had any effect on Chloromancer healing ever since the 1.11 changes where cast time determined healing and not damage.

    Heal debuff reduction was lowered on Synthesis based healing, since previously, Synthesis based healing from Lbv was being mitigated by both the regular healing debuff, and the AOE healing debuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katosu View Post
    Wow...
    Just...
    Wow.

    Seriously, you brag about your main being a mage now, and you say things like this here?
    AHAHAHAHA

    *coughs*
    Sorry.

    Not really.

    Fact of the matter is that valor has not had any effect on Chloromancer healing ever since the 1.11 changes where cast time determined healing and not damage.

    Heal debuff reduction was lowered on Synthesis based healing, since previously, Synthesis based healing from Lbv was being mitigated by both the regular healing debuff, and the AOE healing debuff.
    Wrong, wrong, wrong.

    It's so simple to test valor reduction, and you're just wrong.

    Compare tooltip value vs a tick of LGV from void life. The actual heal is roughly half.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azuli View Post
    So, now that Cleric healers have become Chloros with more armor, range, hit points, control options, DPS, and self-healing abilities than actual Chloros have....what are your plans to make Chloros relevant?
    You kinda shot yourself in the foot from the word go with this misinformed and completely wrong 1 liner post.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahov View Post
    Wrong, wrong, wrong.

    It's so simple to test valor reduction, and you're just wrong.

    Compare tooltip value vs a tick of LGV from void life. The actual heal is roughly half.
    No, you're flat out wrong in regards to how it works Ahov.
    Valor reduction has nothing to do with the universal AOE heal debuff.
    It is 55% mitigated regardless if you have 0 valor, 1000 valor, or 5k valor.

    Valor is entirely separate from the universal heal debuff that has been applied.

    Valor has not reduced any of Chloro's heals since 1.11 since none of the Chloro heals are based off damage, which is what valor mitigates only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katosu View Post
    No, you're flat out wrong in regards to how it works Ahov.
    Valor reduction has nothing to do with the universal AOE heal debuff.
    It is 55% mitigated regardless if you have 0 valor, 1000 valor, or 5k valor.

    Valor is entirely separate from the universal heal debuff that has been applied.

    Valor has not reduced any of Chloro's heals since 1.11 since none of the Chloro heals are based off damage, which is what valor mitigates only.
    Also incorrect.

    http://i.imgur.com/9pRC7zn.png
    http://i.imgur.com/HGFtnHI.png

    Looks like just a valor reduction to me!

    Unless you're implying NO abilities are affected by valor and it's all just an aoe heal reduction. (Which would be incorrect, because ST heals are reduced by the same amount)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahov View Post
    Also incorrect.

    http://i.imgur.com/9pRC7zn.png
    http://i.imgur.com/HGFtnHI.png

    Looks like just a valor reduction to me!
    Nope, you're just being incredibly ignorant.

    Let me help you.

    http://i.imgur.com/GCLSFVP.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/NNeGsLR.jpg

    Note how the valor changes, but the healing debuff does not change.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ahov View Post
    Unless you're implying NO abilities are affected by valor and it's all just an aoe heal reduction. (Which would be incorrect, because ST heals are reduced by the same amount)
    It is universal healing reduction.
    55% healing reduction on ALL forms of healing.
    The only exception to this are abilities that heal according to your total health pool.
    I.e. Twilight transcendence restores 50% instead of 20%.

    Abilities such as Essence surge restore half of their original amount, because the healing they deal is based off the HP of the user. At that point, that sets what the base amount will be and so the healing debuff affects it.

    Valor only affects the amount of damage that is dealt to you.
    If you are really so insistent upon stating that valor affects your healing.
    I can quickly post two images of myself in a duel and showing that the healing debuff remains the same regardless of whether PvP gear is worn or not.


    Fact of the matter is that valor has no effect on healing whatsoever.
    Feel free to PM a developer such as Elrar and ask for his input on the matter.
    Last edited by Katosu; 05-06-2013 at 03:07 PM.

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    Furthermore, check previous patch notes.
    Healing debuff has been altered when Valor has not been altered.
    The two are clearly seperate.

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    You are arguing for the sake of arguing, not because you have anything to actually defend.

    First off, I know what you were referring to from the beginning.

    The tooltip itself which you are banking on, refers to the healing debuff separately.

    The game does not support you.
    The dev notes does not support you.
    The community itself refers to the healing debuff separately and NOT as valor.
    So community wise, it does not support you on this term either.

    @ muspel: I know, the entire point was to get him to understand that the two different concepts are referred to each other in two different terms.
    You can't coin the two as both being valor because, semantically, it would be confusing.

    If it were something supported in game or hinted at in game I wouldn't care, but no one, neither the game nor devs, nor community,have ever said "Valor reduces healing".

    Hot means hot.
    Cold means cold.

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    You should go read up on what a cleric is and then what a mage is. Then you will quickly know why clerics are "better healers."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashmemory View Post
    You should go read up on what a cleric is and then what a mage is. Then you will quickly know why clerics are "better healers."

    This is RIFT not WoW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashmemory View Post
    You should go read up on what a cleric is and then what a mage is. Then you will quickly know why clerics are "better healers."
    That's hilarious.

    Actually though, I was asking the Devs to respond here. Would it be possible to get an answer about any changes coming up for Chloros?
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