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    Default 1.11 Archont

    havent found any thread, sorry if ive missed it

    basicly this http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0z...aRffqkMrzsz.-9 are the archont points?
    you could argue whether you'd take Vital Assistance (+1% crit) and skip Purging Flames (you'd lose the purge on your groundtarget disspell) for more dps

    subpoints for max dps: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0zIq_.e0M.V.-9
    subpoints for flicker: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0zIq_.e0M0z.m.-9
    subpoints for sheep/arresting/manawrench duty: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0zsI_.McVu.o.-9

    the "spam" macro doesnt change that much either
    just add in the runspeed cast at lowest priority

    #show Leeching Flames
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Earthen Barrage
    cast Volcanic Bomb
    cast Surging Flare
    cast Spark Shower
    cast Leeching Flames
    cast Pillaging Stone
    cast Flame Bolt

    - if you play a pyro subspecc (with 5 Ignition) Fireball hits way harder than PS, only worth it if you Powerdraintoggle
    - Waning has a lower cd than before
    - use Lava Field on CD, use it on 10 Raid DPS Members (if you have to ignore its dmg do so)
    - Patrons Rage is a DPS Gain, use it on CD but dont use it if EB/VB/SF/SS CD will come back in the channeltime (use it if youd only spam pillaging)
    - the single target disspell has no casttime anymore
    - Powerdrain-toggle to get forced BP proccs still works
    - continue as before?

    did i miss anything?
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    here you go

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0z...qRffqkMr0sz.-9

    the 2 points in imp EB are a waste atm cause of the bard but w/e need the 51 and theres nowhere else worth puttin it
    maybe the bard will die and it pays off
    meh could put it in the flowing sands but i dont like crutches

    my gears kinda ridiculous but im sure even lesser geared will never run out of mana cause i never ever dip below the cost of max cast
    also aura mastery is just lol, theres no reason you should have to recast auras in combat anymore unless youre falling asleep
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    For max damage, I'm actually going 15 Pyro. 5/5 Ignition, 3/3 Fiery Concentration, 3/3 Burning Fury, 1/1 Flicker, and 3/3 Innate Fire. That also gives 15% damage from the gift. Unless there's an attack that actually needs Power Drained, I'm using Internalize Charge at 19%. I haven't tried it lately, but on early PTS I was getting better dps from straight Pillaging Stones rotation and maintaining Power Drain as much as I could; IC should be better. This was being the Power Drain toggling / Void Bolt/Life Leech method for me. I imagine this will be more true against Fireball; VB/LL beat Fireball pre-1.11 anyway.

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    heres another for you diehard rock n rollas

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0z...qRffqkMr0sz.-9

    i aint sayin either one is the best, just sharing

    ninja poster! yea i ride PD a lot, it beefs dps a lot more than some may think
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    I have been testing 51 Archon/15 Pyro DPS

    1. Power Drain toggling still works but does not result in a DPS gain! Remember that PD activation lag? It is still there and BP damage comparing to the lag seems to be equivalent.
    2. Leeching Flames is a DPS loss! Can be removed from spam macro.
    3. Illuminate/Coda of Jeopardy now stacks with Wind Growth so probably it is better to leave it to bard as Coda is 1 minute debuff opposing to Illuminate's 20 seconds.
    4. Lava Field prevents usage of Power Drain and Internalize charge currently. Donno is it is by design but now you only lose your 10 charge for PD activation as it toggles off momentarily. Also Lava Field seems to not stack with Wild Growth somehow so use it separately.
    5. Flaring Power lasts 30 seconds!!
    6. Waning Power lasts 15 seconds and has 1 minute CD so you should use it more often.

    So basicly Archon became a 1-button smasher. Patron's Rage is a small DPS gain but not that much. On not-so-hard hitting bosses you can use IC for DPS. In /domi build and on hard mobs use PD.
    You should give the power to one who doesn't want to use it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pixel Monkey View Post
    heres another for you diehard rock n rollas

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0z...qRffqkMr0sz.-9

    i aint sayin either one is the best, just sharing

    ninja poster! yea i ride PD a lot, it beefs dps a lot more than some may think
    This one seems to be weaker than 15 Pyro. Burning Fury seems to be a significant DPS gain as we are stuck at low crit rating now. And the difference between IC and PD is also significant. Also Pyromancer's gift is much better for Archon as we hav eno DoTs except SV once a 5 min.
    You should give the power to one who doesn't want to use it
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    Has someone actually figured out how effective resistance piercing actually is relative to other stats yet?

    The DPS gain/loss of Leeching Flames is based around if Pillaging Stone crits/Leeching Flames doesn't crit so the difference is pretty negligible. It's a one button macro anyway, so meh. I guess if you toggle Fireball, Leeching Flames is a loss.
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    how high do you guys with different speccs parse?

    im at 4k on a solo dummy
    BiS gear, except relic offhand (wearing non upgraded maklamos offhand), PA-cap, conquestbonus, weaponstone, flask, bufffood, completly solo on that dummy, 5 min parse with 1 time flaring


    * Bard: Motif of Bravery: No longer blocked by other critical hit buffs - reduced the amount of critical hit it grants as it can now be stacked with other similar buffs. Has priority over other Attack Power or Spell Power long-term buffs.

    guess earthen barriage is worth it again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculti View Post
    how high do you guys with different speccs parse?

    im at 4k on a solo dummy
    BiS gear, except relic offhand (wearing non upgraded maklamos offhand), PA-cap, conquestbonus, weaponstone, flask, bufffood, completly solo on that dummy, 5 min parse with 1 time flaring


    * Bard: Motif of Bravery: No longer blocked by other critical hit buffs - reduced the amount of critical hit it grants as it can now be stacked with other similar buffs. Has priority over other Attack Power or Spell Power long-term buffs.

    guess earthen barriage is worth it again?
    Earthen Barrage currently does enormous damage. I'v seen it hit > 10k as the new +15% speed thing.
    Without any buffs like stone vial etc, w/o flaring power and w/o Lava Field hitting the dummy, w/o crumbling resistance (not sure if anyone did apply one) I got 3600.
    BiS gear w/relic offhand. PA almost full.
    You should give the power to one who doesn't want to use it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacifyer View Post
    Earthen Barrage currently does enormous damage. I'v seen it hit > 10k as the new +15% speed thing.
    Without any buffs like stone vial etc, w/o flaring power and w/o Lava Field hitting the dummy, w/o crumbling resistance (not sure if anyone did apply one) I got 3600.
    BiS gear w/relic offhand. PA almost full.
    specc?

    and yeah, Earthen Barriage is worth it for the dmg alone
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    yea that sounds about right 3.5/4k is easily attained with good gear
    as for the leeching flame, could maybe round out the macro with it for mobility, aka: |||.........PS>LF>CD>FB>SV

    all n all pretty rapt with archon atm
    still some major testing to be done
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    Once we gain granite salvo, we won't be able to macro it. I wish more abilities were like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caydin View Post
    Once we gain granite salvo, we won't be able to macro it. I wish more abilities were like it.
    we did some tests on stacking buffs/debuff currently:
    http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-gene...-analysis.html

    doubt Granite Salvo will stack with the bardmotif

    and since running 3 supps prolly will be a loss id go for Bard+BM at 60
    BM has definitly higher uptime on his raidbuffs+old warlords healbless+tp/resist increase CDs

    sure it will depend on the fight
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    WTB cooldown on Granite Salvo please <3

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    Quote Originally Posted by sculti View Post
    specc?

    and yeah, Earthen Barriage is worth it for the dmg alone
    Spec /15 Pyro
    Was using IC instead PD
    Did not PD-toggle at all. As I mentioned at this DPS level BP damage is negated by a microlag caused by turning on PD. I am sure that is true for almost all players as I have very little lag comparing to my guilmates in general.

    So generally this level of DPS is attained by 1 macro random smashing. The only thing to add is dropping Lava Field under your feet, throwing Waning Power and Illuminate on target. You can add Patron's rage and Lingering Pain (?name +10 cast speed) to refresh buffs.
    You should give the power to one who doesn't want to use it
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