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    Default Request improvement in SC AoE

    SC is supposed to be THE AoE soul for the mage tree.
    However, there are many instances where the soul does not perform optimally. Cabalists dish out significantly more dmg from the start while SC's have to slowly build up electrified stacks. Even pyros do comparable (?slightly better) AoE DPS when there are 6-8 targets with just pure firestorm spam.... which has no CD.


    SC thunderstorm/hailstorm combo is slow to build and is on a 30s cooldown. Once that is up, you are left with fork lightning /lightning field spam which is arguable the best DPS at 3-5 targets. SC is missing something in between to cater to 6-10 targets while thunderstorm is on cooldown. This is a travesty for a soul once thought to be king of AoE.

    I would suggest a new skill - Chain lightning - as a 20 point root ability or in place of wind chill in the branches. Instant cast low dmg lightning spell that chains up to 8 or10 targets (without looping back else it can be awfully strong on 2 targets). Main aim is to electrify the enemies for you to cast lightning field. Dmg on chain lightning cannot be too high or else it would replace fork lightning on smaller groups as well, and I would love it that an AoE class has to think of which AoE to use instead of spamming the same skills mindlessly (looking at you pyro).

    Any input would be welcome.

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    I've yet to be outparsed by a cabalist

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aguni View Post
    I've yet to be outparsed by a cabalist
    This. SC is incredibly good AOE, especially against lower target numbers (4-5), while cab is only good against incredibly large numbers and only when using their CDs.
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    no

    11k aoe sustained and like 27k or so max peak(cabs are close at about 25k). but our 11k sustained is tops
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKillian View Post
    no

    11k aoe sustained and like 27k or so max peak(cabs are close at about 25k). but our 11k sustained is tops
    i'm really curious what you are sustaining 11k dps on with sc.... :P

    I really don't think it should be that high
    stormcaller is still pretty awesome though relative to aoe in other callings <3 def my fave mage raid spec
    in pvp however sc needs a boost- its aoe got a huge hit this patch, and it lacks general survivability to make up for its new lack of burst
    Last edited by Inixia; 02-06-2012 at 08:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inixia View Post
    i'm really curious what you are sustaining 11k dps on with sc.... :P

    I really don't think it should be that high
    stormcaller is still pretty awesome though relative to aoe in other callings <3 def my fave mage raid spec
    in pvp however sc needs a boost- its aoe got a huge hit this patch, and it lacks general survivability to make up for its new lack of burst
    imagine a pack of 6+ mobs that cannot die

    that :P
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    Hmm.... something looks wrong.
    In all the parses (when riftlogs was still up), warriors beat mages by quite a bit in all AoE fights that have a lot of targets. Even the warriors themselves came out to say that they are top AoE now.

    Cabalist I used as an example because they burst from the word go... I can match cabalists as long as the fight drags out, which is most of HK. I'm just miffed that I'm stuck to 4 targets while waiting for my CD's to run out.

    I am curious though how you maximise dps on 6 targets. I gave pyro as a comparison for 6-8 targets simply because a pyro can parse almost the same as my SC on sustained big group fights. My SC tends to only excel between 2-5 targets. How the heck are you getting 11k? I thought I knew the SC play quite well, obviously I'm missing something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masakari81 View Post
    Hmm.... something looks wrong.
    In all the parses (when riftlogs was still up), warriors beat mages by quite a bit in all AoE fights that have a lot of targets. Even the warriors themselves came out to say that they are top AoE now.
    when riftlogs shut down i was 2nd on Zilas with Val (warrior) 1st, but it was just barely and he out geared me by a lot. had just gotten my 4pc, no trinket, no relic staff, one relic piece of HK gear (belt), no wand, no neck, one ring, far from BiS anything. i was also 2nd on Matron and 1st was another mage. we were both sc/ele.

    manage LS, HS, AB, FL, LF, flash freeze, ice shear, icicle procs for st breaks, major CDs, etc. on trash packs sustaining 12k isn't that hard at all and you don't even need cooldowns for it. it's just like the other builds. you just have to manage your priority list, and adjust to how many targets you have.

    i personally think sc is in a nice spot right now, but that's just my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaddyDaz View Post
    when riftlogs shut down i was 2nd on Zilas with Val (warrior) 1st, but it was just barely and he out geared me by a lot. had just gotten my 4pc, no trinket, no relic staff, one relic piece of HK gear (belt), no wand, no neck, one ring, far from BiS anything. i was also 2nd on Matron and 1st was another mage. we were both sc/ele.

    manage LS, HS, AB, FL, LF, flash freeze, ice shear, icicle procs for st breaks, major CDs, etc. on trash packs sustaining 12k isn't that hard at all and you don't even need cooldowns for it. it's just like the other builds. you just have to manage your priority list, and adjust to how many targets you have.

    i personally think sc is in a nice spot right now, but that's just my opinion.
    Any nuggets of advice? I'm basically keen to see what you're doing different for AoE. ST is not a problem. (btw... akylios is an AoE fight too).

    I basically open with flame bolt -> HS/LS (static flux toggle if I have the charge. Duration is 3 ticks for smaller groups before firing off lightning field. For bigger groups, I let LS run the course, although I'm not really sure if that is an overall DPS gain or not. After that it's pretty much flame bolt/arctic blast/FL/LF (with static flux when available) spam till CD's are up and rinse and repeat. I've never found a use for flash freeze though except on the very occasional movement AoE burst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by masakari81 View Post
    Any nuggets of advice? I'm basically keen to see what you're doing different for AoE. ST is not a problem. (btw... akylios is an AoE fight too).
    Aky is a different type of fight, but PM sent on sc/ele.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aguni View Post
    I've yet to be outparsed by a cabalist
    You must play with bad cabalists

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    Aoe Parses are influenced heavy by how many other AOErs you have in raid, and what classes they are.

    Namely when do mobs die, and what stage of your rotation did they die.

    SCs aoe spike comes from charged field on large # of enemies bouncing around. If you dont get your LF Boom before most of the mobs fall, you wont get max DPS, likewise if things die right AFTER your lf boom, you'll have comparativly higher dps.

    The only decision points in AOE are to HS or not, and how many ticks of LS to let off, both of which are influcenced by how long the things youre AOEing are taking to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masakari81 View Post
    SC is supposed to be THE AoE soul for the mage tree..
    First off, it doesn't say this anywhere.

    Second, Cabalist is generally regarded as the aoe tree for clerics, so it should be pretty good at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sumelar View Post
    First off, it doesn't say this anywhere.

    Second, Cabalist is generally regarded as the aoe tree for clerics, so it should be pretty good at it.
    Eh, it doesn't say that about the cabalist either.... both souls have lots of skills that benefit AoE... so of course, they are considered AoE souls.

    I didn't ask for a nerf to cabalist. I asked for a buff to SC in large AoE fights.... I still feel SC performs best in smaller scale AoE fights... in large AoE fights, pyro can give SC a run for its money just by spamming 1 channeled spell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailion View Post
    Overhauling the entire Sab soul is not an option. General playstyle of the Sab stays the same. Promoting synergy between the Sab and other souls is definitely something to look at. It should be the strongest AOE DPS soul among the Rogues and competitive with other AOE specialist in other callings.
    "AOE specialist in other callings." it's a givin that sc is ours.
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