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    Default 1.7 and Fire Armor

    Reposted as I accidentally posted this to the mage guide forum
    I'm a Pyrolock. I've tested two builds in 3 configuraitons:

    1) 37/29 with PA (Pyromancer's Armor) active
    2) 37/29 with FA (Fire Armor) active
    3) 36/30 with FA active

    In a 4.5 minute dummy test, I get 13.6, 13.8 and 14kdps in that order for each of the tests.

    I remember doing this test in 1.6 and getting the opposite result, so what changed?

    Certainly, I have better (though still not great) gear, but I don't see how that would have caused FA and PA to swap places. Can anyone confirm this on their own testing?

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    As far as I know, Fire Armor has almost always resulted in higher dummy dps. That hasn't changed in the new patch.

    PA is a bit too RNG dependent.

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    37/29.. What the? What did u remove from warlock?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fridge-RaideR View Post
    37/29.. What the? What did u remove from warlock?
    If you spec pyro armor and firestorm then its effectivly .2% dmg more by putting another point in imp glyphs becuase it gives 1.2% for burning bright+ 1% for imp glyphs, compared to putting another point in improved mage armor. Still a moot point if you want to run pyro (my experience is its less dps than fire) you can not spec for firestorm and get another .8% dmg. I mean you could also have a pyro lock with and without firestorm, what else are we going to use 6 roles for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harmil View Post
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    In a 4.5 minute dummy test, I get 13.6, 13.8 and 14kdps in that order for each of the tests.
    Your dps numbers seem to be slightly off.

    By a factor of about 1000%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domey View Post
    what else are we going to use 6 roles for?
    Heal, dps, squirrel spec for HK, tank spec for HK, solo, dps...

    Yeah I need more roles.

    And yeah, I lose dps with pyro armor, I lose reaction time to cast cinderbust so it's not really worth it to me.

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    Entirely depends on his gear, I had the same disconnect with people posting 2k+ parses, and I was at 1100-1300. It had everything to do with gear, though, and its surprising, how much a small upgrade can make a big difference

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    It is very likely due to GoP being changed to additive + good RNG in your favor.

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    my resualt differ from your, pyro worked better in a 4min run testing total damage done. with teh CB procs even on bad RNG it worked out better, fire armos apparent % is balls, but then we can never realy tell with MMO math

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    And checked the results of "total damage" not DPS and the results are quite interesting, close resualt across all fields.
    After much testing wth each armor and buff combo i came up with the 3 higest outcomes.

    3.) Fire armor wth - Searing Vitality
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    2.) Pyro armor with - Searing Vitality
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    1.) Pyro Armor with - Searing Vitality & Dark touch
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    Quote Originally Posted by QIao View Post
    3.) Fire armor wth - Searing Vitality
    Code:
    http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo55/ssaakick/2839d59e.png
    not a single Opportunity proc w/ Cinder Burst?

    Macro Cinder Burst + Fireball and put it somehwere for whenever u get Opp proc... u hsould see a boost in Fire Armor DPS..

    --> and have you found DT to be useless w/ fire armor ? ( since not fire dmg ) imma have to parse that for myself i guess to see if its worth skipping for an extra Fireball

    i have yet to do a fair amount of parses ( 5+ for each ) but from the random times i go over to dummy unless i get really good RNG on Pyro, FA is just as good and alot more consistent
    Last edited by Hadezz; 02-07-2012 at 07:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadezz View Post
    not a single Opportunity proc w/ Cinder Burst?
    Quote Originally Posted by Hadezz View Post
    have you found DT to be useless w/ fire armor ?
    These are exactly the two things I thought too, looking at the post above it. I can't see how DT would be more or less useful with fire armor on that it was with pyro armor.

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    Well what i'm thinking is you'd be able to cast an extra Fireball every 4(ish) rotations due to not having a GCD from applying DT, and that fireball would benefit from Fire Armor where as DT does not at all.

    but as i said will have to parse a fair amount before determining its worth, will begin working on that later tonight.

    Edit:

    Looking at http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-gene...ml#post3588271

    Regarding the issue with Fire Armor getting double bonus from Improved Mage Armor, I've figured out why that is happening, but at the moment there aren't plans to fix the bug. If that changes and a fix of some sort gets planned I'll let you know before it actually happens and will work to make sure its done in a way that doesn't result in an overall loss of dps.
    Looks like Fire Armor is currently the way to go, as far as whether DT is worth casting or not still has to be tested,

    w/o any real tests i am gonna go ahead and ASSUME it is not worth casting, for an even simpler rotation and if there is a DPS loss it would be rather small
    ( again this is a complete assumption)
    Last edited by Hadezz; 02-07-2012 at 09:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadezz View Post
    w/o any real tests i am gonna go ahead and ASSUME it is not worth casting, for an even simpler rotation and if there is a DPS loss it would be rather small
    ( again this is a complete assumption)
    Sounds about right to me as well.
    Last edited by Calmethar; 02-07-2012 at 10:26 AM.

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