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Thread: I hate to say it, but Deny REALLY needs a nerf

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    Default I hate to say it, but Deny REALLY needs a nerf

    Before anyone cries, I mainly play a Dominator spec.

    Being able to remove all the debuffs on a target is insane, especially with the lack of dispel protection in this game. If this is too much of a nerf in PVP, then buff Dominator in other ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GLopez View Post
    Before anyone cries, I play Dominator.

    Being able to remove all the debuffs on a target is insane. If this is too much of a nerf in PVP, then buff Dominator in other ways.
    On a 10s CD... Which you can, if your a healing class, debuff all ailments in shorter CD on more targets than Deny can.

    Why would you even consider bringing up such a minor thing, that isn't OP in any means of the word, to get it nerfed when we are on the cusp of an even greater nerf upcoming?

    want to make killing mages on your Rogue Easier?

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    Denied.

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    I'm so BORED

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    Quote Originally Posted by SinisterDeath View Post
    On a 10s CD... Which you can, if your a healing class, debuff all ailments in shorter CD on more targets than Deny can.

    Why would you even consider bringing up such a minor thing, that isn't OP in any means of the word, to get it nerfed when we are on the cusp of an even greater nerf upcoming?

    want to make killing mages on your Rogue Easier?
    PVP is a battle of global cooldowns. This makes Deny insanely potent.

    But if you really think that Deny is the same thing as a Cleric dispel, there should be no problem changing Dominator dispel to a single-debuff dispel with no cooldown, right?
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    Deny is fine. it fits the dominator soul very well. The fact that it's 10 points into the soul can be considered iffy, though. As someone who abuses it thoroughly, I'm not sure how I feel about a 51 chloro being able to deny.
    Last edited by Nooodle; 10-09-2011 at 11:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GLopez View Post
    Before anyone cries, I mainly play a Dominator spec.
    Looks it's u who QQ here, U play dot rogue right?

    So funny that players scream first nerf for mage souls, after soul nerf they start QQ about single spell that make them harder kill mage...

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    You can't dispel bleeds with deny.

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    Yeah, that didn't make any sense.

    I still do wreck rogues, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GLopez View Post
    Before anyone cries, I mainly play a Dominator spec.
    its easy to lie on the internets, true?
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    There is nothing wrong with Deny the way it is.
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    Think it's good that healers can spec to get a full dispell, on CD, clerics can, and mages can.
    Makes sense imo. A healer should be able to choose to clear debuffs one by one instead of healing, or to go for a few secs healing instead and taking the debuffs / dmg and then removing all.

    Now deny being root 10 w/ a 10s CD is more powerful than the clerics' that is root 26 on a 45s CD.
    Cleric's is on a healer soul though.

    It's true deny is very good. I'm not sure it is too good though.
    You think no one should be able to remove all debuffs in one go, I'm not sure why, it's not that spammable really.
    Sure it sucks when all your debuffs have quite a long CD, I play a dom too, but dom debuffs are really strong too, would probably be quite imba with no counter (single target dispell on GCD doesn't cut it as a counter imho).

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    Yea... if they did that, it'd pretty much mean there would be zero way for ya to get rid of Last Gasp if you were getting any heals what so ever.

    Currently 4 Full dispels exist in the game

    One on Druid
    One on Purifier
    One on Dominator
    and one on VK (which is bugged, cause it should not be a full dispel)

    It is extremely powerful ability, But it is designed to be powerful on Single Targets that are getting Focused, think of it has a Focused Cleanse if ya must..

    While it's incredibly weak at dealing with Mass Debuffs (think MB/TI/VM)
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    Quote Originally Posted by aux View Post
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    Pvp is not a battle of GCD's. Not in rift. It's a battle of who has more rogues, so if your enemy is a rogue and you are not, you auto-lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halman View Post
    Pvp is not a battle of GCD's. Not in rift. It's a battle of who has more rogues, so if your enemy is a rogue and you are not, you auto-lose.
    this is not true, it changes between patches - it can become a battle of who has more warriors or a battle of who has more clerics, its always in flux.
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