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    Default Lost in 1.4 dps

    I am having trouble getting more then 1050 selfbuffed on the dummy outside of necro/dom.

    What specs are doign what on the dummies?
    What does the 33/33 Lock/Necro I've heard about look like?

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    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=1z...VVxk.xtszVdkzs

    That is currently the highest Necro/Lock DPS spec.

    Check: http://bluedots.org/2011/04/30/end-game-mage-pve-guide/ for the rotation.

    Cheers

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    Thanks Blue,

    Ill give that a shot tonight when I get off work, does it out perform Zoomancer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reese81 View Post
    Thanks Blue,

    Ill give that a shot tonight when I get off work, does it out perform Zoomancer?
    Depends on the fights.. In a 100% controlled environment like Plutonus I bet Zoomancer would do better. Any movement or AoE though and Necro/lock pulls way ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluedot View Post
    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=1z...VVxk.xtszVdkzs

    That is currently the highest Necro/Lock DPS spec.

    Check: http://bluedots.org/2011/04/30/end-game-mage-pve-guide/ for the rotation.

    Cheers
    I've had slightly varying experience here. I've done 35/31 lock/necro and the classic zoomancer specs, and both net me about 1100-1150 on a dummy, single target with self-buffs (but no flask/SP food). 38/28 lock/necro actually outperformed it by about 100-150 DPS on various parses. Each parse I did between the specs was 5 minutes, I'm sure I could replicate if needed. My best parse for 38/28 was just over 1300, my average hovered more around 1250 between the few tries I did to replicate it.

    The charge consumption reduction allows me to, at full charge, use a full duration of defile and soul purge simultaneously. With all other DoTs active at the time, this results in a huge amount of DPS. The downside is simply that the rotation is a bit more unforgiving, with an additional DoT and more charge consumption to keep track of. I usually only use soul purge on every other DoT rotation, otherwise spamming void bolt/draining bolt. Also at the end of each soul purge I'd lay down a grave rot (which I'd queue during the channel). The way I timed it, my life leech never fell off, but it'll be a lot harder to pay attention to in a heavy movement/raid awareness style fight, which may make the 35/31 lock/necro slightly more forgiving.
    Last edited by Uhgii; 08-06-2011 at 04:53 PM.

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    How about the new 44SC ability?? Is anyone have luck with it dps wise?? Ive tried, 44sc/22ele, and 44sc/14ele/8lock. Best I could dummy was around 1k.

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    Default necro lock dps

    Bluedot could u please explain to me how come u parse higher in that necro/lock spec

    i use the defile spec and always parse a solid 1050 unbuffed my sp 1102 sc 741
    while with the lich lock i get 1030 and like u say its freaking hard to sustain optimum dps whilst moving

    on plutonus in ros i am always above 1500 with necro lock but i think it can be higher as im a bit of a noob



    rotation=

    looming demise 1ce a minute
    leech life 1 time
    necrosis
    dark toch
    defile
    macro 6times

    and refresh with necrosis

    macro =
    #show neddra's torture
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast neddra's torture
    cast draining bolt
    cast void bolt
    petcast Blood Spike
    petcast Soul Rend
    petcast Jagged Wound

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    I posted this in another thread but it seems relevent so i'll repost it here:

    Boss dummy parse 200sp Powerstone, Vial, Fanfare Knowledge, Soul drain, Spotters, motif's, Archon and Flaring Power. Far from perfect, just an indicator of what Mages can do full raid buffed in ideal situation I guess.
    Stats self buffed with vial, powerstone and Fillet: 1562sp. 949crit

    35-31: Lock/Necro - http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0z...pozs.jIMhzVVxz

    http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/4752/3531.png
    (note this parse I didn't use a Vial.. forgot so add some arbitrary number of dps to it)

    28-38: Necro/Lock - http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0z...uozM.eeMhzVVxz

    http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/1191/3831.png

    Take what you will from this, just giving numbers for now not opinions. You can see however that even witha vial on 35/31 i parsed more than defile by over 100 dps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by almarean View Post

    macro =
    #show neddra's torture
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast neddra's torture
    cast draining bolt
    cast void bolt
    petcast Blood Spike
    petcast Soul Rend
    petcast Jagged Wound
    nedarras torture is useless in a raid environment since theres 2 sets of stacking magic damage debuffs. the maximum is 2 7% debuffs. dont put a point in torture its better used elsewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by almarean View Post
    Bluedot could u please explain to me how come u parse higher in that necro/lock spec

    i use the defile spec and always parse a solid 1050 unbuffed my sp 1102 sc 741
    while with the lich lock i get 1030 and like u say its freaking hard to sustain optimum dps whilst moving

    on plutonus in ros i am always above 1500 with necro lock but i think it can be higher as im a bit of a noob



    rotation=

    looming demise 1ce a minute
    leech life 1 time
    necrosis
    dark toch
    defile
    macro 6times

    and refresh with necrosis

    macro =
    #show neddra's torture
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast neddra's torture
    cast draining bolt
    cast void bolt
    petcast Blood Spike
    petcast Soul Rend
    petcast Jagged Wound
    Wouldn't Plague Bolt be a net dps gain due to the massively increased pet dps from having 5 stacks up? And just manually cast Void Bolt when LL is getting low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Circ View Post
    I posted this in another thread but it seems relevent so i'll repost it here:

    Boss dummy parse 200sp Powerstone, Vial, Fanfare Knowledge, Soul drain, Spotters, motif's, Archon and Flaring Power. Far from perfect, just an indicator of what Mages can do full raid buffed in ideal situation I guess.
    Stats self buffed with vial, powerstone and Fillet: 1562sp. 949crit

    35-31: Lock/Necro - http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0z...pozs.jIMhzVVxz

    http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/4752/3531.png
    (note this parse I didn't use a Vial.. forgot so add some arbitrary number of dps to it)

    28-38: Necro/Lock - http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0z...uozM.eeMhzVVxz

    http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/1191/3831.png

    Take what you will from this, just giving numbers for now not opinions. You can see however that even witha vial on 35/31 i parsed more than defile by over 100 dps.
    thanks for a proper test
    couldnt get the people together for sth like this

    did you have an armordebuff+critpoison?

    i got the same results, 35/31 still beats defile and personally i prefer it anyways, i hate chargejoggling with defile/sp

    what do you parse completley unbuffed (except warlock armor ofcause)?
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    Neadra's torture is good. The cast time is 1second,a nd exprise hitting harder then a void bolt. I use it. The magic debuff is nice to have, occassionally a raid might not have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluedot View Post
    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=1z...VVxk.xtszVdkzs

    That is currently the highest Necro/Lock DPS spec.

    Check: http://bluedots.org/2011/04/30/end-game-mage-pve-guide/ for the rotation.

    Cheers

    Mr Dot....why not take 3 points out of WL and go Elem +3%Crit?

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0z...VVxz.xtszVdkzs
    Last edited by quicklikesloth; 08-07-2011 at 12:14 AM.

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    well 5 stacks of pilaging stone + SV prob outweigh's the 3% crit correct me if im wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quicklikesloth View Post
    Mr Dot....why not take 3 points out of WL and go Elem +3%Crit?

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0z...VVxz.xtszVdkzs
    Because 5x pillaging stones = 40 sp and almost 2% crit, which outweighs 1% more crit. Plus, you lose 4.5% of your overall damage from DoTs from Neddra's Influence, which makes up the vast majority of your DPS. (And 50 endurance from searing vitality is quite a bit of health, also, which is always nice to have.)

    So, yeah, not worth it on any level. I'd rather have to open the fight with 5x pillaging stones than remove 4.5% of my damage and 40 SP, simply to gain a little more than 1% more crit, especially since mages have so much innate crit, since our primary stat is intelligence. I sit at 50-55% in most raids. This is why SP has always been our "primary stat to stack" and crit sits at the bottom in importance. However, it's ultimately your choice.
    Last edited by Uhgii; 08-07-2011 at 01:55 PM.

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