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    Default Trion - Buff Mage Dmg

    Who seriously wants to take a mage in a raid when rogues can do more dmg and are more mobile.

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    Well... An Archon and a Chloro.

    for DPS...Nah mages arent meant to DPS in this game, Trion says forget it.

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    Interesting. Our mages aren't as bad as yours, clearly.

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    When DPS becomes an issue, thats when the fun gets taken out of the game. Worrying about what DPS some one else is doing has killed so much other mmo's. Please guys don't kill this one by worrying about DPS. Just enjoy the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo467 View Post
    When DPS becomes an issue, thats when the fun gets taken out of the game. Worrying about what DPS some one else is doing has killed so much other mmo's. Please guys don't kill this one by worrying about DPS. Just enjoy the game
    Our first raid right after the patch and our raid leader replaced some mages with rogues to up the dps. It worked and they killed the boss we had wiped 6 times on. Now of course we weren't comfortable with our new builds and there was tons of lag; but we still got replaced.

    Take that as you will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cagey View Post
    Our first raid right after the patch and our raid leader replaced some mages with rogues to up the dps. It worked and they killed the boss we had wiped 6 times on. Now of course we weren't comfortable with our new builds and there was tons of lag; but we still got replaced.

    Take that as you will.
    Any semi respectable guild won't just boot players based on class. Mages can pull respectable DPS and are more than capable to fill that roll in a raid. Now if mages aren't hitting those benchmarks then I see why they got replaced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auchter View Post
    Interesting. Our mages aren't as bad as yours, clearly.
    Either that or your rogues arent as good as ours .. HAH!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andoreniel View Post
    Either that or your rogues arent as good as ours .. HAH!
    lol thatts what i thought.
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    A raiding guild will do whatever it has to. Endgame is the goal, you're not getting there with mages. Any raid leader taking more than 1 archon is cutting their chances of getting there.

    Raids need 1 tank, 4 clerics, 1 archon, 1 bard and the rest dps. In some cases, 4 clerics are an overkill, but the tank is a given and the archon/bard buffs are just too good to pass up atm.

    If a mage aoe isn't out dps'd by a rogue, then it's obvious that the rogue has the wrong build and rotation. If a cleric isn't out dps'ing a mage on single target, then again it's a problem with the build and rotation.

    Now I could be wrong, there just might be a build in which a mage can out dps a rogue on aoe's or a cleric on a single target. If there is, I haven't found it yet and Trion is just keeping it a secret.

    A raid leader who doesn't kick mages from their raids aren't raiders, they're social guilds. There's nothing wrong with a social guild. It just takes them longer and they suffer alot of set backs. A raiding guild is going to take the best with them on the raid. Taking someone inferior is just asking for failure. Taking a mage is no different than taking a level 50 in level 40 gear. You can carry one or even two, but why do that when you can take something better and assure a better chance of defeating a boss?

    Rogues are in their own realm with dps on single and aoe dps. Warriors are competing with mages aoe's and clerics are competing with single target dps. The problem is they take less damage and have higher hit points so they can absorb more damage. A mage with 4-5k hp's is going to crumble long before either of them.

    In the dps race, it's rogues, warriors, clerics and mages coming in last. If you're coming up with a different line up then post it and how you've done it. None of our cc's work on a boss and our debuff's, although some do work, they are ineffective and have no effect on the outcome.

    The issue isn't that we can't or can do damage, the issue is we offer nothing to a raid that can't be done by another class. Except with rogues, we're competing with other classes doing the same amount of damage, who have better protection and more hit points.

    Why bring a class that's going to melt when you can bring a class that doesn't? Until Trion gives the mages something unique and gives raid leaders a reason to take them, mages aren't going to raids. A raid leader who does is just being stubborn, isn't serious about raiding or doesn't care whether they clear content or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auchter View Post
    Interesting. Our mages aren't as bad as yours, clearly.
    No, it's definitely that your other classes aren't as good, because mage dps did really take a hit, and there's a significant gap between the mage class and all the other classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo467 View Post
    When DPS becomes an issue, thats when the fun gets taken out of the game. Worrying about what DPS some one else is doing has killed so much other mmo's. Please guys don't kill this one by worrying about DPS. Just enjoy the game
    It's difficult to enjoy the game if you've been benched.

    So let's please stop pretending that DPS doesn't matter. Raids are going to min/max their comp to get the job done in the quickest and most efficient manner possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunzy View Post
    Who seriously wants to take a mage in a raid when rogues can do more dmg and are more mobile.
    Excuse me, rogue that do more dmg are in melee. And no one comes close to mages AoE.
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    Im an R8 Cleric.
    1 Rogue can annihilate 2 healing clerics together-Cross healing doesnt work against a rog. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blays View Post
    Excuse me, rogue that do more dmg are in melee. And no one comes close to mages AoE.
    Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. Our AoE that was our strength was hacked to pieces because people felt it was too powerful in PvP. Our single target damage is subpar by a lot. And A good Rogue MM can out dps mages as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blays View Post
    Excuse me, rogue that do more dmg are in melee.
    And yet they're still more mobile and still do more damage.
    And no one comes close to mages AoE.
    Except Sab, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo467 View Post
    When DPS becomes an issue, thats when the fun gets taken out of the game. Worrying about what DPS some one else is doing has killed so much other mmo's. Please guys don't kill this one by worrying about DPS. Just enjoy the game
    and when the boss doesn't die quick enough wheres your so called fun then?

    do you like wiping?

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