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    Default Worrying about the DPS loss from Static Discharge asinine.

    Really? We are now whining that we had an ability changed and our DPS just looks lower on parsers?

    If a major patch comes out with no nerfs to mages' ability to actually do damage, I should think people would be pleased, not whining about looking like they are doing less when they actually do the exact same amount as before.

    Yes, it will affect parser damage. No, it will not change anything at all. If your raid leader thinks that he shouldn't bring you this week when he did last week because he doesn't know how other classes' or souls' abilities work then chances are you need a new leader who doesn't eat paste.

    If an Archon uses Burning Purpose for the haste buff, a SC uses Static Discharge for the damage buff, and the damage increase from BP doesn't count towards the mage, should the damage increase count from SD?

    It's called logic, people, use it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Questionable View Post
    If an Archon uses Burning Purpose for the haste buff, a SC uses Static Discharge for the damage buff, and the damage increase from BP doesn't count towards the mage, should the damage increase count from SD?
    This is not the isssue. Now Procs of SD caused by anybody except SC use stats of guy who causes that proc. How much spellpower or spellcrit rogues/warriors have?
    Ok, lets put SC in a group of casters with other mages and clerics. But SD procs caused by clerics still wont crit so often because he hasnt needed talents for it.
    And the main issue - something like half of all air and water damage of SC is caused by debuffs. When somebody except SC cause proc of SD - its damage wont get benefit of those debuffs.
    Use the logic - they just force us to stack stormcallers if you dont want to waste cooldown for people who would cause 30 damage per tick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kervalen View Post
    This is not the isssue. Now Procs of SD caused by anybody except SC use stats of guy who causes that proc. How much spellpower or spellcrit rogues/warriors have?
    Ok, lets put SC in a group of casters with other mages and clerics. But SD procs caused by clerics still wont crit so often because he hasnt needed talents for it.
    And the main issue - something like half of all air and water damage of SC is caused by debuffs. When somebody except SC cause proc of SD - its damage wont get benefit of those debuffs.
    Use the logic - they just force us to stack stormcallers if you dont want to waste cooldown for people who would cause 30 damage per tick.
    Has anyone done the math on the alpha yet?

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    Raid dps will probably go down overall unless you stack a group of SC. (Sooner or later I suppose somebody is going to abuse this stacking issue. But meh.)

    SC dps will still be fine, it is very solid even taking out static discharge, and crits on SD will help offset some of the damage being reapportioned from the mage to the group. I'm more concered with the LGV changes, SC will be ok.

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    The change is more significant than I think most people believe. SD was used when all cool downs were used, giving it a substantial boost. Pre-nerf, SD would account for 250-350 DPS of a storm callers DPS in a raid type fight. Because SD doesn't stack, even if you stack SC's in a group, you will now need to stagger them, so now SD won't be used in conjunction with cool downs any longer. With SC''s spread out, you can expect ~30-50 DPS out of it, and if you stack storm callers in a group, you can expect ~115-150 DPS. No matter how you slice it, it is a pretty significant hit.

    Using one parse from a recent boss fight, our 4 storm callers did between 1306 and 1053 dps, putting them in the top 4 spots in the raid. This would drop them to 1106 to 853 dps, putting the 4th storm caller at the very last place for DPS in the raid (For DPS classes). That also assumes that you are adding the SD dps to the storm caller. If you just read the parser, all storm callers would now likely be near the very bottom of the charts. I would say that is a huge change.
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    Warriors and Rogues hit for about 40-50 with SD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealCheesy View Post
    Warriors and Rogues hit for about 40-50 with SD.
    Correct, and if the warriors and rogues are the only ones taking advantage of SD, you can expect SD to account for 22-28 DPS. Pre-nerf, I'm getting ~450 per hit. So it'll be doing about 10% the damage it does in it's current state, with current raid make up.
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    It's great, now they won't have to nerf anything important
    I'm so BORED

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    Quote Originally Posted by Questionable View Post
    Has anyone done the math on the alpha yet?
    Bluedot parsed it and it did like 100ish dmg per hit from casters, less than 40 from melee. Right now, mine hits for 274 per hit from everyone, so it is a pretty big hit. If you group 5 stormcallers together and alternate them it's not too big a hit, but you can only pop intensify elements with it once, and only get the bonus damage on the procs on your own damage. Best case, it's around a 50% nerf if you make a group of 5 SC/ELE and rotate casting it every 25 seconds.

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