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    Default 51 Pyro......and what? PVP

    So, my Warlock/Chloro build did me very well levels 1/49....and I pretty well pwned Pyros almost 100% of the time the whole way.

    Now, at level 50, all that pwnage has done a 180 on me.

    Well, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

    I am trying to put together a full Pyro build for PVP Warfronts....but I just can't decide on specs for second and third soul.

    What I was considering;

    51 Pyro/15 Archmage

    51 Pyro/8 Dominator/7 Archmage

    51 Pyro/8 Dominator/7 Elementalist

    51 Pyro/10 Dominator/5 Archon

    I don't know....I am trying to find a build that won't have mana trouble, but ALSO won't be facerolled if caught outside of GoS.

    So...my question is, what are full Pyros running for specs on second and third souls?

    Any advice would be helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vihar View Post
    So, my Warlock/Chloro build did me very well levels 1/49....and I pretty well pwned Pyros almost 100% of the time the whole way.

    Now, at level 50, all that pwnage has done a 180 on me.

    Well, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

    I am trying to put together a full Pyro build for PVP Warfronts....but I just can't decide on specs for second and third soul.

    What I was considering;

    51 Pyro/15 Archmage

    51 Pyro/8 Dominator/7 Archmage

    51 Pyro/8 Dominator/7 Elementalist

    51 Pyro/10 Dominator/5 Archon

    I don't know....I am trying to find a build that won't have mana trouble, but ALSO won't be facerolled if caught outside of GoS.

    So...my question is, what are full Pyros running for specs on second and third souls?

    Any advice would be helpful.
    No real thinking is needed.

    51 pyro / 15 AM is as faceroll as you can get.

    Steelweave / runeshield / detaunt make you damage immune when you're in GoS, and give you extremely high damage mitigation when you're not (on the order of 85%).

    This is more than any other subspec can give you for 15 points.

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    But won't that spec run out of bullets pretty fast? I mean..where is the mana regen in the pyro spec?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vihar View Post
    But won't that spec run out of bullets pretty fast? I mean..where is the mana regen in the pyro spec?
    Whatever the ability is that consumes 80 charge to make 8 next casts free of mana.

    Your largest mana eating ability is firestorm, so pop that thing whenever you are about to go on an AoEing spree.

    When the bad guys are dead, sit down and drink up.

    Yes, sometimes you will run out of mana regardless. You will pop a pot, and you will still run out. Thems the breaks. Its better to run out of mana than hitpoints

    I play almost exclusively in black garden / scion, and I am finding time to sit down and drink up no problem.

    /shrug

    Others would swear by 51 pyro / lock to Sac Life -- > Mana / Am. To each his own, but I wouldn't trade my runic shield for sac life --> mana.

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    51 Pyro / 6 Archon / 9 Archmage

    Think about it.
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    After further review, I find that you don't really need the full 51 points in Pyro...you get GoS at 44.

    So I was thinking of maybe doing something completely different with those few extra points to work with.

    How about this build? It's probably uncommon for Pyros....but I think it could work...

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0z...Iuusuzs.xx0M.E

    Basically, gives me unlimited mana with Sac Life:Mana, and Reconstruct to heal myself.

    Magical Affinity for isntant Charge generation which is useful for Pyro.

    Opportunity for instant cast Cinderbursts.

    4% extra HP, and an Endurance buff.

    -15% crits against me.

    Seems to me that this would be a pretty survivable build.

    What it loses in DPS in Losing Fulminate and the 7 points in Pyro....it can make up for with Magical Affinity and Opportunity for "SURPRISE! CINDERBURST!"

    This one kind of feels right to me. A balance of Toughness and CC, and solving the mana issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vihar View Post
    After further review, I find that you don't really need the full 51 points in Pyro...you get GoS at 44.
    Mind you, i'm only 49, so I don't have any experience with it. But from the screenshots I've seen, and the pyro that jumped me while leveling, I'm pretty sure Fulminate is worth 7 more points into the tree.

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    Default ive been running with this build for a few days

    and its been pretty fun
    when cooldowns are all up can take almost anyone one on one

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0z...Iuusuzs.xx0M.E

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horks View Post
    Mind you, i'm only 49, so I don't have any experience with it. But from the screenshots I've seen, and the pyro that jumped me while leveling, I'm pretty sure Fulminate is worth 7 more points into the tree.
    I'm counting on Opportunity + Cinderburst to be a close match for it.

    ..and yeah...I've been hit with it plenty of times.

    The trouble is, with a lot of healing in this game, I like to build for extended fights with big groups...not 1 v 1....and that means sustainable mana, and the ability to take some hits.
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    Fulminate is worth 7 points of BS mana regens and other crap skills. I've seen Fulminates crit for 6k on some well geared mages.

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    DPS build:

    44 Pyro
    6 Elem (+5% crit, ~800 shield, charge-to-mana conversion, pet for teh lulz)
    16 Archmage (+15% damage against players, +30% crit damage, extra 10% crit on a short cd, instant crit on 3 min cd, -25% damage reduction shields). you have to be rank 4 tho


    Pyrochloro (less burst but more survivability)

    44 Pyro
    13 Chloro (for instant bloom and 30% radiant spores)
    9 Archmage


    Rank 5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retroviruz View Post
    DPS build:

    44 Pyro
    6 Elem (+5% crit, ~800 shield, charge-to-mana conversion, pet for teh lulz)
    16 Archmage (+15% damage against players, +30% crit damage, extra 10% crit on a short cd, instant crit on 3 min cd, -25% damage reduction shields). you have to be rank 4 tho
    Ele is wasted points. The 5% crit is hardly even a 5% damage increase - whereas you are losing out on Fulminate - a critical addition to our ability to burst a target down in PvP.

    Charge to mana is out of combat only, might as well drink.




    What it loses in DPS in Losing Fulminate and the 7 points in Pyro....it can make up for with Magical Affinity and Opportunity for "SURPRISE! CINDERBURST!"
    Thats not how it works. Cinderburst has 30 seconds cooldown and pyromancer's armor resets that cooldown.

    What it means in practice, is that anytime your opportunity will be up, your cinderburst will be on cooldown in any big and lengthy pvp fight. If you are not picking up Fulminate (which is a critical PvP talent for added burst), you should at least go Dominator to alleviate your mana concerns and get +50% damage to cinderburst from there.

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    51 pyro
    10 warlock (affinity/opportunity)
    5AM

    Quote Originally Posted by Dictate View Post
    Fulminate is worth 7 points of BS mana regens and other crap skills. I've seen Fulminates crit for 6k on some well geared mages.
    Would never get close to that without double damage.

    4k max, biggest i've hit is 3.4k.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knurls View Post
    51 pyro
    10 warlock (affinity/opportunity)
    5AM



    Would never get close to that without double damage.

    4k max, biggest i've hit is 3.4k.
    I popped 3973... I'm T1/T2/Rank 4 Pvp geared (all mish mashed), so I'm not doing the most damage out there. I bet the heavily geared/runed/buffed pyros out there are pulling alot more than I.

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