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    Default Warden\druid?

    Edit... thread was intended to consider the viability of a support class using the fairy healer regularly... it just doesnt work.
    Last edited by Mohrb; 01-09-2017 at 01:27 AM.

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    No.

    You simply don't do enough DPS with this build to even justify taking the points in Druid, while severely gimping yourself without Bosun's Blessing Legendary. With a healing pet out and a full DPS rotation you might not even push 150k, and that's me being generous.

    Edit: If you really wanted to heal and DPS, you can probably do more DPS while outputting similar amounts of healing (since you're not going to use warden skills much, if at all if you want any sort of DPS really) by running a Justicar hybrid. Something like 41 Justicar/21 Sentinel/14 Inquisitor. (This would obviously require you to be tanking, but the current content can be tanked by a straight DPS build so it's not exactly difficult).

    Edit2: If you want to do viable (and good) hybrids, look for souls that don't have significant amount of power locked up in 61 point talents. Both Druid and Warden suffer this problem to some degree (Druid less so than Warden).
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    No, warden passives like bonuses to instant/AoE/HoT spells don't affect the fairy at all? Or no, it just wouldn't be worth it?

    The intent wasn't to primarily be a druid with a little backup heals... wardens don't do much passively. Instead, it was to primarily be a warden with a bonus to prolonged fights from the greater fairy healer (and throwing in a bit more damage than a normal warden would). Things like rifts and PVP where there's not a specific boss with mechanics you know to safe your cooldowns for, where minute long cooldowns are essentially useless because everyone's constantly being spiked at different rates.

    What about a defiler/justicar like this:
    https://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#m/r8Exa/UkaEGl5iBh0

    Everyone focuses on the mein of leadership... but that honor can be functional too. basically all you're saccing is the transformation from defiler in exchange for never having to worry about self damage from your greeds and what should be a fairly significant bonus health regen in the raid while you're spamming attacks. This would be more of a 90% damage/50% healer as opposed to the warden/druid's 90% healer/20% damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohrb View Post
    No, warden passives like bonuses to instant/AoE/HoT spells don't affect the fairy at all? Or no, it just wouldn't be worth it?

    The intent wasn't to primarily be a druid with a little backup heals... wardens don't do much passively. Instead, it was to primarily be a warden with a bonus to prolonged fights from the greater fairy healer (and throwing in a bit more damage than a normal warden would). Things like rifts and PVP where there's not a specific boss with mechanics you know to safe your cooldowns for, where minute long cooldowns are essentially useless because everyone's constantly being spiked at different rates.

    What about a defiler/justicar like this:
    https://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#m/r8Exa/UkaEGl5iBh0

    Everyone focuses on the mein of leadership... but that honor can be functional too. basically all you're saccing is the transformation from defiler in exchange for never having to worry about self damage from your greeds and what should be a fairly significant bonus health regen in the raid while you're spamming attacks. This would be more of a 90% damage/50% healer as opposed to the warden/druid's 90% healer/20% damage.
    If we evaluate Warden Druid by the standards of 61 Raiding Warden = 100% Healing and 61 Raiding Druid = 100% Damage, then that point spread would be something like 60% Healing /20% Damage, i.e. you have a hybrid that does kinda does both but the result is worse than the sum of the parts.

    The greater fairy healer simply does not heal enough, full stop. The base numbers are just not there with the health/SP pools available, and Trion has made no effort to change this. Even if you do 300% of 3k healing in passive bonuses (you don't get anywhere close to that, by the way), it's still only at 9k healing which is basically like 3% of a tank's health.

    The problem with the defiler/justicar setup you have there is that they have basically 0 synergy in damage types (i.e. life damage, death damage, salvation healing) that again results in something that's worse than the sum of the parts.

    Also, you probably haven't played enough of Defiler to realize that healing up the damage from Greed spells is not the problem, it's the burst damage from Greed spells to begin with (and the fact that Greed %health damage is amplified by %damage bonus effects). Defiler itself has no problem keeping itself up with HoTs and Husk in PvE situations. You also basically gain nothing beyond self healing from this (since DoTs only proc salvation upon cast), which begs the question why are you using it when you can accomplish the same or more self-healing with self-triggered Legendary Fairy Healer, which doesn't even require any points in Druid.
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    Youre right, as i said at the beginning, im just coming back.

    I recall druid and salvation being much more significant than they ended up being. The buff that caused pet attacks to proc AoE damage combined with fairy seer in AoE mode used to throw up an absolute ton of numbers.... but apparently that's all gone. Even at 70 fairy healer ticks are going for like 200 per tick per person, which is nothing. Salvation isn't much better anymore, so both options are crap.

    And you're right, I haven't played defiler since the rework. Hense looking at possible options. My old 38\38 defiler cabalist still does well enough since some deep defiler talents benefit all cabalist stuff pretty well and I don't kind losing out on sigils and one curse for the farmability of the beacon of dispair plus tyranny.

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