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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahov View Post
    Sure, change it for pvp, but what niche does it serve?

    It needs to be better than our alternatives for any changes to be worth it, at least to some degree. It can't suck at everything.
    nerf shamens aoe to be on par with sin and paragon. then make druid the spec that does both but below shamans st.

    i also think not enough people give druid a chance in pvp. it has a ton of utility and good burst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dday View Post
    nerf shamens aoe to be on par with sin and paragon. then make druid the spec that does both but below shamans st.

    i also think not enough people give druid a chance in pvp. it has a ton of utility and good burst.
    Shaman's AOE is below Rogues and Warrior's AOE by a hefty margin. I seen what you did there though :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mumnoch View Post
    Shaman's AOE is below Rogues and Warrior's AOE by a hefty margin. I seen what you did there though :P

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    Oh? Which Warrior and Rogue souls are you comparing it to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mumnoch View Post
    Shaman's AOE is below Rogues and Warrior's AOE by a hefty margin. I seen what you did there though :P

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    What are you even talking about?

    Shaman compared to a BLADEDANCER?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahov View Post
    What are you even talking about?

    Shaman compared to a BLADEDANCER?
    No i think he meant 61 champ 61 paragon its a new spec for warriors

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    seriously though why is druid so bad in pvp? i see a crap ton of utility and 61 points looks like its burst like hell. having a pet sucks so i understand that but i still see it being good. im 100% ignorant though with druid since i never see anyone use it.

    id love to see noobzilla or hikos or ahov run it.

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    It depends on CD lining up and its a melee pet soul.

    Unless you are soloing (and only coming out when all CDs are off) then you are better off with the burst shaman or superiour anything else.

    It has all the makings of a good pvp soul (although on paper, it was better before the major druid change) but its still a pet melee soul.

    Although it has been a minute since ive played.

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    It would be nice to see it synergise more with Justicar and be a worthwhile splash healing build like Bard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahov View Post
    What are you even talking about?

    Shaman compared to a BLADEDANCER?

    We have 1 competitive AOE'er atm and that's shaman. It's irrelevant that it is also our best ST spec. You can't compare the shaman's AOE to other classes ST spec's when trying to justify a nerf to our AOE damage. You must compare it to other classes AOE specs. You Ahov should know this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kedon View Post
    Oh? Which Warrior and Rogue souls are you comparing it to?
    Their AOE souls of course. If you need to know them go look them up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mumnoch View Post
    We have 1 competitive AOE'er atm and that's shaman. It's irrelevant that it is also our best ST spec. You can't compare the shaman's AOE to other classes ST spec's when trying to justify a nerf to our AOE damage. You must compare it to other classes AOE specs. You Ahov should know this.
    So what you're saying is, the new cabalist changes to bring it more on par with saboteur/champion is justification for shaman nerfs?

    Fine with me. Sounds good
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskerton View Post
    So what you're saying is, the new cabalist changes to bring it more on par with saboteur/champion is justification for shaman nerfs?

    Fine with me. Sounds good
    one step at a time...Cab has to be viable in raids/dungeons/PVP to justify anything. It's current form on PTS isn't though.

    Wasn't this thread about Druids? :P

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    Make druid fully ranged caster, no melee please. Maybe a toggled buff for it will do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mumnoch View Post
    Their AOE souls of course. If you need to know them go look them up.
    Yes I know that's what you're (trying to at least) driving at. I'm just curious as to why you think Shaman's AoE should be compared to Saboteur, Stormcaller and Champion, the pure AoE specialists, when it also matches the top ST souls in Rift? It's like comparing Assassin's AoE to Champion; obviously the Champion is going to have more, but it pays for it with substantially poorer ST capability.

    Compare it also to Nightblade, Riftblade and Bladedancer. Souls which have pretty decent AoE but pay the price for this by having significantly less ST capability than the top-tier ST DPS souls. Shaman pays no such price and has far better AoE and ST than at least the first two; BD is trickier to compare due to it's AoE being very high burst, but rather poor sustained.


    Getting back to Druid. I agree that it should get it's AoE capability brought up a bit to match the likes of Riftblade and Nightblade. Suggest some method to AoE spread Crushing Force (which is currently just a copy of Vex that's at 48pts for some reason) and/or Eruption of Life.
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    druid aoe would be a lot better if fae mimicry affected wild strike

    i would also suggest letting Fae Dispersion affect the Satyr Destroyer's attacks
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