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    Default 44 Druid vs. 61 Druid

    Just a few quick questions for the professionals, about the druid soul. At 44 points in druid, you have all of your pet options, and spirit of upheaval. You have the vast majority of the important crap from your skill tree. That leaves 32 points to make use of for other trees, which is a fairly significant amount. Applying 17 of those points to druid seems to net you higher single target melee DPS, but that's about it. Using those points in something like Cabalist nets you a huge AoE dps capability. Using those points in Justicar means you probably won't die. Is the jump from 44 druid to 61 druid really worth missing out on the basic mechanics of another soul or two?

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    4.5% Mana Melee range Instant Cooldown: 30 seconds Causes the Cleric's next 4 single target damaging abilities to deal additional Life damage equal to their initial damage. Does not affect damage over time effects. Lasts 15s. Requires 61 Points Spent in Druid Requires Level 60

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    44 druid / 16 justicar / anything has been the go-to leveling spec for ages.

    Druid/cab I don't get, it would seem to be a soloing spec that AEs a bit better at the cost of ST and/or survivability. So like a specialist build for AE grinding weak mobs? Even in that very narrow niche cabfiler would be better.

    But basically the answer to your question is that at 44 druid you are already have enough survivability and enough AE for most content. The most useful thing to gain is better ST, and the best way to gain it is filling to 61.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stay View Post
    44 druid / 16 justicar / anything has been the go-to leveling spec for ages.

    Druid/cab I don't get, it would seem to be a soloing spec that AEs a bit better at the cost of ST and/or survivability. So like a specialist build for AE grinding weak mobs? Even in that very narrow niche cabfiler would be better.

    But basically the answer to your question is that at 44 druid you are already have enough survivability and enough AE for most content. The most useful thing to gain is better ST, and the best way to gain it is filling to 61.
    In what context is better melee ST more useful? Raids and dungeons? Open world, the kill speed and survivability with a 44 druid is already better than what most other souls can muster. The ability to decimate large packs seems to me to be far more useful, and spamming wild blow is nowhere near as brutal as tyranny of death blowing up on about eight mobs.

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    61 shaman has better ST than druid and almost as good aoe as cab.

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    Eight is the relevant number, because cab has eight-target AE while other souls only have five-target. If you are in a lot of situations with eight targets stacked up, by all means play something with cab. Although def/cab or just-plain-cab seem better choices to me.

    It's just that eight targets in a stack isn't a tremendously common situation, unless you are pulling and stacking them yourself. In which case the pulling-and-stacking takes as much time or more time than the killing even for five-target specs. So it doesn't matter so much if you kill them twice as fast with cab, because you don't pull-and-stack them any faster.

    And yes, eight-targets-in-a-stack is seen just about never in dungeons and raids. While single-target is the constant default mode.
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    Actually cab's AoE scales nearly infinitely to the number of targets (even without the 61 pt ability) because Tyranny of Death can be spread to more than 8 mobs with additional Bound Fates.

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    From a minmax perspective, you can pull slightly better numbers with a 61 build. From an "it's a friggin game" perspective... I love 44 druid/32 cab. Little less ST damage than druid/shaman... But gain a ton of AOE. With greater healing fairy out.... You'll lose a chunk of damage, but contribute a noticable amount of healing for those tough fights. ... My biggest reason is the mathgasm.

    When your tyranny bombs blow up.... while your fairy does her aoe chain gun of aoe doom..... So many numbers.... Everywhere. It's just pretty.

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    Speaking of this.... This weekend I'm gonna try 44druid/32 purifier. Seems like it would be a great support... Respectable damage one second.... Respectable heals 2 seconds later. Battle rez, cleanse, solid shields.

    Although one thing I want to see hybrided.... Purifier/defiler... Just for the lols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohrb View Post
    Speaking of this.... This weekend I'm gonna try 44druid/32 purifier. Seems like it would be a great support... Respectable damage one second.... Respectable heals 2 seconds later. Battle rez, cleanse, solid shields.

    Although one thing I want to see hybrided.... Purifier/defiler... Just for the lols.
    You are making the mistake that a lot of people make in this game, which is trying to make a creative hybrid when there is a 61 point spec that achieves the exact same goal but better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEFUNKBOT View Post
    You are making the mistake that a lot of people make in this game, which is trying to make a creative hybrid when there is a 61 point spec that achieves the exact same goal but better.
    Some people prefer to maximize fun, rather than DPS/HPS. Going hybrid means a person can use the mechanics of two or three separate souls, which, while less effective, is far more interesting.

    Also, I'll second the mathgasm. Chain gun fairy plus tyranny blowing up on a stack of three or more invasions at once? It's beautiful.

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    I mean, I wish hybrids were good. They used to be. Making builds was way more fun then. But they just aren't any more. Everything has gone cookie cutter 61-or-bust.

    Complain about it and maybe they will change it for 3.0. I thought they were going to - Daglar said "no more 61 or bust" a few months back - but then we got new Druid and new Puri. Both with must-have 61 point abilities. So much for making hybrids good.
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    tbh.. it really depends... i mean it'd be nice to see a balance between 61pt and hybrid.. to give more aoption.. i do hope 3.0 brings more hybriddable things to the table.. would be nice.. to be able to use both.. instead of the game throwing back and fourth.

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    I dunno... The 44 druid/32 cabalist works just fine for me... I'm never less than 2nd dps in a group... And my gear sucks.

    44 druid/32 puri is actually pretty nice... But I'm also having fun wothy purefiler build. 54 purifier/20 defiler.... Solo like a champ, heal better than 61 puri imo... Lose 2 cds for some more consistant shields.... Plus dropping your target dummy means you never get aggro.

    Also I think my sentinal/warden is something like 42 sent/34 warden... Haven't tried 61 of either.... But it's fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohrb View Post
    Speaking of this.... This weekend I'm gonna try 44druid/32 purifier. Seems like it would be a great support... .
    I use that spec in CQ. It works good for spamming cleanses and does well for burning down extractors. There is still viable synergy just not where most people expect it to be..

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