Shaman VS Inquisitor parses

[Byona]

Hi guys, could you please parse both Shaman and Inquisitor at the dummy, and post your parses so we can compare the difference between our ranged dps and melee dps, and show whether or not Shaman needs a buff.

Write down stats for each spec
No consumables
Self buffed

i'll start on my second post, thanks.

[Blytzz]

I can't link my parses as I am at work.

Shaman is now ahead of Inquisitor by about 400 for me. (4100 SP 18% Crit 200 CP.)

[Patchkid]

Couldn't get shaman to parse higher than inquis for me ST... What were your specs for each?

[Byona]

Shaman (61/10druid/5inq):
4688sp, 1610sc, 452cp

Parse 1 (3:30min):

TYPE                           DAMAGE     ENCDPS     AVERAGE    MEDIAN  MINHIT  MAXHIT  RESIST    HITS  SWINGS  TOHIT   CRIT%  
All                            2,204,591  10,350.19  2,776.56   1,492   271     27,682  All       794   810     98.02   36%    
Massive Blow                   418,460    1,964.60   14,945.00  11,030  9,856   27,682  Physical  28    28      100.00  43%    
Crushing Blow                  319,983    1,502.27   6,274.18   5,419   5,055   9,125   Physical  51    51      100.00  27%    
Frozen Wrath                   273,903    1,285.93   3,511.58   2,756   2,492   6,751   Water     78    78      100.00  45%    
Icy Blow                       240,923    1,131.09   5,126.02   4,233   3,938   7,338   Water     47    47      100.00  34%    
Vengeance of the Winter Storm  216,069    1,014.41   1,137.21   959     474     2,017   Water     190   190     100.00  37%    
Brutalize                      207,051    972.07     2,494.59   1,771   1,507   6,564   Physical  83    83      100.00  14%    
Jolt                           196,138    920.84     7,845.52   6,003   5,498   13,734  Air       25    25      100.00  48%    
Combined Effort                160,951    755.64     12,380.85  9,703   9,116   16,437  Physical  13    13      100.00  46%    
Lightning                      101,584    476.92     534.65     499     271     1,142   Air       190   190     100.00  54%    
Lightning Hammer               36,385     170.82     2,798.85   3,231   1,854   4,626   Air       13    13      100.00  54%    
Auto Attack                    33,144     155.61     436.11     428     305     814     Physical  76    76      100.00  0%     
Deep Freeze                    0          0.00       NaN        0       0       0       Unknown   0     16      0.00    NaN

Parse 2 (3:30min):

TYPE                           DAMAGE     ENCDPS     AVERAGE    MEDIAN  MINHIT  MAXHIT  RESIST    HITS  SWINGS  TOHIT   CRIT%  
All                            2,193,534  10,495.38  2,808.62   1,543   259     25,840  All       781   789     98.99   39%    
Massive Blow                   410,114    1,962.27   14,646.93  11,110  10,330  25,840  Physical  28    28      100.00  39%    
Crushing Blow                  331,135    1,584.38   6,132.13   5,374   5,027   9,200   Physical  54    54      100.00  24%    
Frozen Wrath                   263,144    1,259.06   3,508.59   2,763   2,425   6,711   Water     75    75      100.00  44%    
Vengeance of the Winter Storm  228,801    1,094.74   1,204.22   981     456     1,968   Water     190   190     100.00  51%    
Icy Blow                       228,308    1,092.38   5,435.91   4,378   3,859   7,157   Water     42    42      100.00  45%    
Brutalize                      195,311    934.50     2,411.25   1,780   1,580   6,010   Physical  81    81      100.00  12%    
Jolt                           191,062    914.17     7,076.37   5,795   5,426   13,011  Air       27    27      100.00  33%    
Combined Effort                178,942    856.18     13,764.77  15,189  9,248   16,389  Physical  13    13      100.00  69%    
Lightning                      97,494     466.48     532.75     489     259     1,322   Air       183   183     100.00  54%    
Lightning Hammer               35,054     167.72     2,696.46   2,017   1,897   4,759   Air       13    13      100.00  38%    
Auto Attack                    34,169     163.49     455.59     465     304     814     Physical  75    75      100.00  0%     
Deep Freeze                    0          0.00       NaN        0       0       0       Unknown   0     8       0.00    NaN

Inquisitor (61/11warden/4sent):
5009sp, 1610sc, 452cp

Parse 1 (3:41min):

TYPE                  DAMAGE     ENCDPS     AVERAGE    MEDIAN  MINHIT  MAXHIT  RESIST    HITS  SWINGS  TOHIT   CRIT%  
All                   2,283,836  10,334.10  4,115.02   1,641   306     32,889  All       555   555     100.00  28%    
Bolt of Retribution   691,195    3,127.58   9,735.14   8,602   7,972   15,748  Life      71    71      100.00  21%    
Nysyr's Rebuke        574,941    2,601.54   23,955.88  22,611  13,613  32,889  Life      24    24      100.00  58%    
Bolt of Depravity     353,888    1,601.30   13,611.08  15,965  9,052   17,517  Death     26    26      100.00  58%    
Scourge               312,799    1,415.38   2,283.20   1,931   1,779   3,209   Death     137   137     100.00  36%    
Sanction Heretic      111,677    505.33     7,445.13   6,276   5,594   10,308  Life      15    15      100.00  40%    
Sanction              98,419     445.33     739.99     593     593     984     Life      133   133     100.00  38%    
Symbol of Corruption  93,184     421.65     1,024.00   1,179   678     1,313   Death     91    91      100.00  0%     
Dehydrate             22,690     102.67     1,134.50   988     910     1,641   Water     20    20      100.00  30%    
Auto Attack           14,317     64.78      421.09     398     306     562     Physical  34    34      100.00  0%     
Aggressive Renewal    10,726     48.53      2,681.50   2,301   2,301   3,823   Death     4     4       100.00  25%

Parse 2 (3:42):

TYPE                  DAMAGE     ENCDPS     AVERAGE    MEDIAN  MINHIT  MAXHIT  RESIST    HITS  SWINGS  TOHIT   CRIT%  
All                   2,291,103  10,228.14  4,026.54   1,627   303     32,645  All       569   569     100.00  31%    
Bolt of Retribution   744,091    3,321.83   10,055.28  8,550   7,910   15,368  Life      74    74      100.00  30%    
Nysyr's Rebuke        557,682    2,489.65   23,236.75  22,443  13,512  32,645  Life      24    24      100.00  54%    
Bolt of Depravity     326,954    1,459.62   12,575.15  10,474  9,267   17,771  Death     26    26      100.00  42%    
Scourge               317,579    1,417.76   2,301.30   1,914   1,762   3,179   Death     138   138     100.00  41%    
Sanction Heretic      105,653    471.67     7,043.53   5,805   5,435   10,558  Life      15    15      100.00  33%    
Sanction              102,061    455.63     756.01     586     586     975     Life      135   135     100.00  44%    
Symbol of Corruption  87,814     392.03     924.36     785     695     1,332   Death     95    95      100.00  0%     
Dehydrate             35,850     160.04     1,195.00   979     979     1,627   Water     30    30      100.00  33%    
Auto Attack           13,419     59.91      419.34     422     303     571     Physical  32    32      100.00  0%

Personal opinion, Shaman still needs a buff compared to other callings Melee (12.5k or so for mages, 13k for warrior), most likely by removing or reducing the 17% dmg reduction on furious assault.

[Patchkid]

Yup, the damage reduction is unnecessary for ST DPS. This is already a melee spec, complicated, has disconnect issues (DoTs especially and MB driving the DPS), and the 1s GCD isn't pushing it to the same level as any other melee DPS spec.

I believe that the damage reduction should apply to only AoE... The AoE for shaman is disgustingly good.

Even without the GCD reduction, I can pull upwards of 25k DPS on 8 targets using a very easy rotation, and my Inquis can only do only about 18k.

[No_Exit]

Personal opinion, Shaman still needs a buff compared to other callings Melee (12.5k or so for mages, 13k for warrior), most likely by removing or reducing the 17% dmg reduction on furious assault.

For best comparison... how are you utilizing Furious Assault.

[Byona]

For best comparison... how are you utilizing Furious Assault.

Always on.

[Oblivion333]

Shamans are really nice now than before. I would still wish they had a bit more dps power. Sigh i would play a shaman but I hate playing a melee in this game.

[Byona]

Yup, the damage reduction is unnecessary for ST DPS. This is already a melee spec, complicated, has disconnect issues (DoTs especially and MB driving the DPS), and the 1s GCD isn't pushing it to the same level as any other melee DPS spec.

I believe that the damage reduction should apply to only AoE... The AoE for shaman is disgustingly good.

Even without the GCD reduction, I can pull upwards of 25k DPS on 8 targets using a very easy rotation, and my Inquis can only do only about 18k.

Agreed, but i'd like to remind you of Riftblade AoE. I do not wish to see different set of rules for Warriors and Clerics.

[Bluelightt]

Yup, the damage reduction is unnecessary for ST DPS. This is already a melee spec, complicated, has disconnect issues (DoTs especially and MB driving the DPS), and the 1s GCD isn't pushing it to the same level as any other melee DPS spec.

I believe that the damage reduction should apply to only AoE... The AoE for shaman is disgustingly good.

Even without the GCD reduction, I can pull upwards of 25k DPS on 8 targets using a very easy rotation, and my Inquis can only do only about 18k.

Shaman can easily do 35k+ aoe damage on large packs, although warriors can do the same in similar spec. I agree that the damage reduction is unnecessary.

[KarthosNZ]

IF the rduction was lowered to, say, 10% for single target and 20% for AoE, it would make things a bit better.

17% is... a rather strange number.

Regardless, Shaman DPS is much closer to what it should be. Just a tickle more would be nice.

[Kahmul]

Don't have my parses on hand, but I was pulling 8.2-8.3k in shaman versus 8.4-8.5k in inq with 4150 sp. Seemed backwards until I remembered the %5 damage increase from BoD, so taking that into account (i.e. assuming your raid already has someone else putting it up), I have sham ahead by just a couple of hundred dps. Hardly seems worth it for a melee spec and more finicky rotation, though I admit on certain fights where you need to switch st to aoe it could be good.

[No_Exit]

Shaman can easily do 35k+ aoe damage on large packs, although warriors can do the same in similar spec. I agree that the damage reduction is unnecessary.

Easily can push higher then that. But yea the damage reduction if anything should be applied to AoE and not as much to ST.

PS: Byona ill try and get some comparison parses up soon.. but every time i try and get it done... something interrupts the process lol.

[Deviancy]

Without much practice on the shaman, it pulled about 100-200 less than inquisitor for me. This is of course with the Unified Theory bug, but still. Shaman should be higher. Need to apply the damage reduc only for aoe (40k aoe lololol)

[Hakedli]

Shaman AoE is extra ridiculous now, as in higher than Cabalist maybe, because of the double damage on spread Frozen Wrath.

I'm not a big fan of this new trend of giving lots of classes a 1s GCD. It just seems lazy - well we have to increase dps so let's just reduce their GCD. Repeat for Warlord, Paragon, Tempest, etc etc. Shaman GCD reduction is even named the same as the Harbinger talent.

(Mostly I don't like it because now I have to press more).

I get that the 61 pt has to be some big Wow thing so that hybrids aren't always the best but there's other things you can do. Like making Jolt oGCD again. Of course seeing how the game treats that with the RB bursts that would still kind of suck.


What's this unified theory bug though?