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    Default Can Shaman's have comparable dps?

    The title says it all. I've played a warrior and rogue before and I'm kind of bored of both classes. I hear that a shaman is much like a magic infused warrior, which I like the idea of. Is shaman dps comparable to other classes? If so, does anyone know of a great spec for a sham?

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    Yeah I think its really pretty close to inquisitor, someone will probably come along and tell you otherwise but from what I hear shaman is what you use until you get to Hammerknell
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    Nah, what I want is a buff to my 38 point Bitter Wind. 20 second cooldown interrupt... and does not silence for 5 seconds like what the rogues have... at much lower point cost.

    Bladedancer: Weapon's Barrage, 10s CD, 5s silence on interrupt, 12 points
    Marksman: Deaden, 15s CD, 5s silence on interrupt, 24 points
    Shaman: Bitter Wind, 20s CD, 38 point
    Justicar: Interdict, 10s CD, AE, 21 point, requires point


    Probably some other interrupts in some other classes... but I don't know jack about them.

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    I guess my question is will I be able to hold my own as dps in raids with warriors and rogues. Also, what souls would I pair it with?

    I found this build: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=00...trsAk.x0xz.Vxz

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    shammy is pretty win. yes it's competative dps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mickael26 View Post
    The title says it all. I've played a warrior and rogue before and I'm kind of bored of both classes. I hear that a shaman is much like a magic infused warrior, which I like the idea of. Is shaman dps comparable to other classes? If so, does anyone know of a great spec for a sham?
    The correct answer is no.

    Clerics perform as if they are wearing an entire tier lower gear than they are actually wearing. For example a T2 cleric will get about the same amount of DPS as a T1 warrior or rogue. The disparity between the classes is not as obvious until level 40, then it is downhill from there.

    The shaman is my favorite soul. The build I use is a 51 shaman, 10 inquisitor, and 5 sentinel. 10 inquisitor gets me +5% crit, Armor of Devotion (More crit and spellpower), 4 out of 5 fanatic faith which is +16% to crit damage, and the abilities snare, sanction heritic. The 5 sentinel gets +5% spell power, a small instant heal on an 8 second CD, and life's vengeance ability.

    Again, Damage wise playing a cleric is like playing a warrior or rogue wearing and wielding gear 1 tier lower. It sucks. Its not just a little bit of difference - It is highly noticeable. Before you out gear everyone in randoms you have to get used to comments like, "You can go full DPS if you want" and "Do you have a DPS spec?"

    The cleric just can't compete the way it is now, none of the DPS souls, if someone tells you otherwise they are telling a lie or complete out gear everyone else they play with.
    Last edited by aabuster1; 10-01-2011 at 03:10 PM.

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    Thats a shame :S

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    Quote Originally Posted by aabuster1 View Post
    The correct answer is no.

    Clerics perform as if they are wearing an entire tier lower gear than they are actually wearing. For example a T2 cleric will get about the same amount of DPS as a T1 warrior or rogue. The disparity between the classes is not as obvious until level 40, then it is downhill from there.

    The shaman is my favorite soul. The build I use is a 51 shaman, 10 inquisitor, and 5 sentinel. 10 inquisitor gets me +5% crit, Armor of Devotion (More crit and spellpower), 4 out of 5 fanatic faith which is +16% to crit damage, and the abilities snare, sanction heritic. The 5 sentinel gets +5% spell power, a small instant heal on an 8 second CD, and life's vengeance ability.

    Again, Damage wise playing a cleric is like playing a warrior or rogue wearing and wielding gear 1 tier lower. It sucks. Its not just a little bit of difference - It is highly noticeable. Before you out gear everyone in randoms you have to get used to comments like, "You can go full DPS if you want" and "Do you have a DPS spec?"

    The cleric just can't compete the way it is now, none of the DPS souls, if someone tells you otherwise they are telling a lie or complete out gear everyone else they play with.
    Can anyone else confirm this or disagree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mickael26 View Post
    Can anyone else confirm this or disagree?
    True, I have HK gear, but am getting outperformed by warriors/rogues/ (to a lesser extent mages) in GSB/RoS gear.

    Or maybe it's because I'm a baddie like many might suggest?

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    It's true where War/Rogue are concerned. Depends on the mage though. Sometimes I beat mages, sometimes I don't (now that we all have HK gear they are usually consistently over me). War/Rogue have always been noticeably higher.

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    Well to be honest itís really a yes and no question. What it means yes it good dps if spec right, but no in the aspect of other dps can out dps us. It really depends on build.

    Now the yes question is what works and what do not work. For some reason people ignore the things that help it buy going into range or healing tree. Yes they help, but no we donít know by how much. The reason why is to get to the most good abilities are after the first tier.

    Now the one question is why not going into druid tree? The first tier offers a 5 percentage in attack power, based on spell power. If a person spells power is 800 that equal +40 attack powers. That a loss as if you spec into inquisitor for 6 points you get crits and better attack power. That the core problem with the dps trees. They donít scale very well and most of time it does no make since to tries to combine dps soul tree. That why you have to spec into other tree.

    That the no part of the question. The lost of not specking in these off trees is just too great. The dps trees really need a complete over haul to make it more competitive with other class. Thus, it is a very complex question.

    That being said it does have one advantage. It burst is great and does a lot of damage in short seconds. But no itís not feasible to contain it as you blow all cd and in the process and if that person lives you are dead. That is what is wrong with the class. It relies heavily on gcd and the timers are really broken. Just to long for it to be competitive. Thus good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mickael26 View Post
    Can anyone else confirm this or disagree?
    Confirm totally.

    With both in HK gear, doing Plut (since people like that fight for dps comparisons) a Warrior/Rogue will out DPS a Shaman considerably (400+ dps). That's a Shaman pulling 1900ish and the others pulling 2300+; yes filtered of course.

    Clerics are competitive with Mages, though still slightly behind. Neither of our two classes are competitive with Warriors or Rogues. Imo, both classes need about a 2-300 dps increase in top end gear to be competitive. We don't need to be the best, we just need to be closer in single target damage otherwise in a min/max environment why would you bring someone that inferior? Luckily we have a good guild that doesn't focus on min/max comps; so far, we can get away with it...

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