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    Default Can we get some data on new Purifier Shields?

    Cause the absorption seems to be really weak.

    Text from patch reads:

    ...adds a Spell Power bonus to all other Purifier absorption shields of 10% plus an additional 7.5% per point spent in Purifier above 36.
    So assuming you had 1000 SP.. they way I interpreted this was, at 36 points, your SP would add 100 absorption. Thats not even close to the numbers I'm getting on live.

    With 51 points in puri, that ability should be adding 122.5% of your SP as a bonus to your shield, according to the wording.

    What is actually happening? Well, at 51 Puri with 1163SP, my shields are absorbing exactly 1676 damage.

    1246.5 of that is from the base shield + Protection of Ancestors. So we are left with 429 additional absorption. What kind of screwy math are they using? The only conclusion I can draw from this is that the "percentage" this "new and improved ability" gives us is applying towards a coefficient, and not directly to our SP.

    How very disappointing. Trion.. do you play this game? Do you really expect us to lose out on 31 points of sentinel abilities for less than 1/2 of a hit point of absorption per spell power?

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    ...adds a Spell Power bonus to all other Purifier absorption shields of 10% plus an additional 7.5% per point spent in Purifier above 36.

    Spell power bonus /=/ equivalent to spellpower. They scaled it, but I'm unsure as to the formula.
    Last edited by Sokanon; 06-24-2011 at 02:57 PM.

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    I will begin by saying I only have a 51 purifier spec, as well as a 34/32 Pur/Sent spec.

    I will retype what the Passive says: Increases the Spell Power bonus of all of your other Purifier absorption shields by 122.5% (for full 51 tree)


    Shield of the Ancestors
    For 34/32 spec: Self-shield absorb=1246. With more spell power this is not affected. It's 1246 absorb always.

    For 51 Puri spec: Self-shield absorb=1681 @1186 SP.

    So this passive, gives a "magic" 435 absorb... I'd be glad to find out how this is calculated. Since this passive says "Increases the Spell Power bonus, I would basically expect to keep its 1246 initial absorb.


    Restorative Flame
    For 34/32 spec: absorb=711 @ 1186SP. 60% of SP, simple.

    For 51 Puri spec: absorb=1146 @1186 SP.

    Now, here what I'd expect is my 60% spell power shield to be increased by 122.5%. That would be 1146*0.6*2.225=1583 absorb




    So, to conclude, I would expect one of these 3, but nothing happens:
    1) Shield of the Ancestors scaling with SP (without passive)
    2) Shield of the Ancestors stay same (with full 51 build)
    3) Restorative Flame shield be much more.

    And so on for other shields...
    Current Main spec: 32/32/2 (Sent/Just/Inq)
    Offspec: 34/32 (Pur/Sent)

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    But, guess what...

    On the second example, there is a "magic" 1146-711=435 absorb difference as well !!!


    So, what I see is happening, every shield is getting +435 absorb @1186 SP. If this is linear then:


    Absorb added=Spell Power*(0.1*x+0.075*y)/3.34)
    where x=1 if you have 36 points or more, or else 0
    y=points spent more than 36


    So, for me @1186 SP and 51 Puri build:
    Absorb=1186*(0.1+0.075*15)/3.34=435

    For a 34/32 build:
    Absorb=1186*(0+0)/3.34=0

    For a 36/xx build:
    Absorb=1186*(0.1+0)/3.34=...

    This means basically, for any Puri builds that 3.34 SP = 1 absorb. (If I am any close to the correct formula)


    Please try and get your Spell power in that, in a 51 build or a 36+ one, and see what absorb you get!
    Current Main spec: 32/32/2 (Sent/Just/Inq)
    Offspec: 34/32 (Pur/Sent)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tetix View Post
    Please try and get your Spell power in that, in a 51 build or a 36+ one, and see what absorb you get!
    51 points @ 1294 SP, with self-shield taking 1721 damage. Your formula yielded the observed increased of 474.5.

    1294*(0.1+1.125)/3.34=474.596.

    This is also the amount added to Restorative Flame's shield.
    Last edited by Brelithir; 06-24-2011 at 11:27 PM.

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    for all other shields except RF one my calculations are exactly correct when applying the % given by the passive:

    take a note that the % is applied not to SP, but to DPS/HPS from sp.

    so sp/5=dps.

    dps*1,225=bonus from sp.

    also the 50% bonus (*1,5) is applied after the static increases so the total amount of shields would be something like:

    for a 51point purifier:

    [831+ (sp*1,225/5)+sourcestone]*1,5

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    I assume that they only updated the tooltip with 10% + 7,5% / lvl. Do the math with the old 5% + 2,5%/lvl and its correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idune View Post
    I assume that they only updated the tooltip with 10% + 7,5% / lvl. Do the math with the old 5% + 2,5%/lvl and its correct.
    you are wrong. read my post above yours to see the correct fomula and how they changed it.

    it used to be 5+2/lvl BUT it applied to end result.

    so that bonus 35% was also applying to the 723 bonus from ancient sourcestone. That is the reason that to break even if you have the greater you need higher sp than you need if you haven't.

    for all shields except RF (which gets a much larger increase, and may have an extra multiplier due to have 3sec cast time and the formula is using DPS) and the channel which is buffed but i couldn't get an end result so i couldn't see if each of the ticks get that (sp*1,225/5) bonus or if it spread among the ticks or if it has a multiplier for it being a 4sec cast time, the new formula works correctly.

    same goes for caregiver's formula. using the exact numbers from the tooltip is giving me correct answers.

    ofc, depending on your SP, the end result may be the same. actually, if you don't have the greater and your SP is:

    831*0,35=290,85. 290,85= (sp*1,225/5)=> sp=290,85/0,245= 1187. so SP= 1187 then your shields will be about the same.

    if it is higher than 1187 then you will have a buff. if it is lower then you will see lower results.
    Last edited by shroudb; 06-25-2011 at 12:39 AM.

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    Pre patch calculation + tested absorb was exactly the same
    Now with 1.3 and that "buffed" passive my shields are absorbing less than before.

    greater essence + 1233 sp + 51 puri build only 2727 absorb
    Last edited by Idune; 06-25-2011 at 03:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idune View Post
    Pre patch calculation + tested absorb was exactly the sam
    Now with 1.3 and that "buffed" passive my shields are absorbing less than before.
    the passive is not "buffed" it is changed completly.

    before: static 35% of TOTAL AMOUNT
    now: 122,5% of DPS through sp.

    that means that if you have less than 1180sp you will see reduce, but if you have above you will se increase.

    actually it means that shields for purifier are now scalable and not static (which is a buff because the more gear=the more bonus)

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    Edit after your Post
    i have:
    greater essence + 1233 sp + 51 puri and my shield absorbs only 2727 less than pre patch
    cant find any buff with more gear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idune View Post
    Edit after your Post
    i have:
    greater essence + 1233 sp + 51 puri and my shield absorbs only 2727 less than pre patch
    cant find any buff with more gear
    that is because you have the greater.

    if you carefully read my post (my 1st post). the answer should be obvious to you.





    before: [greater (723?) +basic (831)]*[1,5+1,35] = 2875

    what happenned is that the 35%passive multiplied the 723 of the greater

    now: [ greater+ basic +sp/5*1,225] *1,5= 2727.

    the passive doesn't affect the greater.

    it IS less if you have the greater, but when you reach ~1400sp it will be more. that means that in top gear you will absorb more, so it is better for end game.
    ALSO

    the sp coefficient with the new passive for RF has gone WAY up (from 81% to ~94%)
    the sp coefficent with caregiver's has gone way up (with 1400sp it absorbs nearly 550hp each shield up from 400ish)
    the sp coefficient of the channel has gone up (with 1400sp it didn't even break with 1400 damage, while before it was 1150ish)

    overall, if you exclude ward/shield/rite it is a buff.

    for shield/ward/rite it is a buff ONLY if you have higher than ~1430sp, BUT now at last it scales.
    Last edited by shroudb; 06-25-2011 at 03:29 AM.

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    any source of that? cant belive it without prove, above all caregivers blessing is working correctly.

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    Sooooooooo buff tooltips are wrong. Because in 51 puri on test and right after 1.3 went live my shield on players and dummies always said same number

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    Quote Originally Posted by MageofSilence View Post
    Sooooooooo buff tooltips are wrong. Because in 51 puri on test and right after 1.3 went live my shield on players and dummies always said same number
    and how exactly can you shield a dummy and find out the number, you cant cast shield on a dummy you can attack and cant see the number absorbed on the one you can, as you cant attack it...

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