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    Default Justicar aoe heals help please

    So ive been reading a bunch of these posts lately and im bored of doing 0 dps and just spamming restorative flame as a healer. My guild is starting GSB now and i really wanted to try and be more unique by building an aoe healer spec to support all the unavoidable raid damage. So i only have a few concerns.

    From what i've noticed the build is very flexible in terms of what you want to do "more" of. Aka do you want more aoe heals, more dps, more bres, or some kind of balance. From what i've seen to get either bres its a big investment in talent points so id rather focus more on dishing out beastly aoe heals.

    I want to be lazy and ask a few questions before i start dumping money on remaking a bunch of builds to figure it out on my own. My main concern is whether reparation is really all that great for aoe heals. Of course im going to use it (mainly for the procs it gives to other stuff) but will the heals be much better if im only using justicar abilities? Would it be a huge difference if i just use other trees for dps and use non justicar light abilities to stack convictions? Also, is mana a huge issue after spamming Loyalty so much? Is the 4% mana per crit in shaman worth getting or is Purpose going to be enough?
    Im also considering trying Inquisitor for dps and stacking convictions instead of using melee, is it viable?

    TLDR version: (and some builds im playing around with for each)
    1. is there a huge difference in only using justicar abilities for more rep/salv healing or can i just use other light dps to just stack convictions for loyalty?
    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=00...0z.E0Exb0z.Exb
    2. Is mana an issue (cause of spamming loyalty), is purpose enough? is the 4% heal per crit for shaman worth it?
    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=00....E0Exb.Exb0zMz
    3. Is using inquisitor instead of melee for dps/conviction stacking a viable option, im afraid of mana issues
    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=00...E0Exo.gxoVxx0o
    4. also is 1 point in protection of the flock enough? or is it better to have 2?

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    forgot to ask if ebb and flow can proc off reparation or salv, and it wont let me edit anymore
    along with a sample build: http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=00...EhMo0e0zo.xx0b
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    I'd probably try something like this.
    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=00....E0xzocz.Ved0z

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    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=00...eczo.ExdzzMc0z

    That is the build I use for doing what you're asking for. It works well for both PvE and PvP. I've used it for absolutely everything but a raid setting, but I'm almost positive it'd work well there too.
    http://forums.riftgame.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=976730&dateline=13047  14023

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    Quote Originally Posted by Persona View Post
    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=00...eczo.ExdzzMc0z

    That is the build I use for doing what you're asking for. It works well for both PvE and PvP. I've used it for absolutely everything but a raid setting, but I'm almost positive it'd work well there too.
    i was under the assumption that sentinel was a must for this build
    those 5 passive talents at the bottom+flock is what makes loyalty so much more intense
    seems to be better for 5 man or pvp, like you said not really a raid spec, but thanks for posting it

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    you wouldnt need the 4% mana regen when crit as you will already have a second (Purpose) if u had shaman .. (Agless Ice)..

    Inquisitor mana regen ability will be buffed next patch and will be reduced to 1 min cooldown, so it will do fine with Purpose also so you will not have an issue with mana there too
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    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=00...0qz.VhMo.E0x0o
    Used a slight variation of that on hylas the other night, and it worked like a charm for soul fracture healing. You really dont need purpose, just chug mana tonics when needed. I have 6k+ mana raidbuffed/flasked + bard mana regen + pots + the crappy (which wont be anymore soon) mana drain from inq, it is enough.
    I had 1/2 contempt instead of CoO since it's useless on Hylas, but will respec on greenscale if i have to play hybrid to take it i think.

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    im still wondering about the issue of whether or not its worth using justicar abilities for better reparation heals or if its not that big of a difference and i can just dps from another tree. (building convictions is not an issue, i just wanna know if the healing/dps is any significant difference between the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGooch View Post
    im still wondering about the issue of whether or not its worth using justicar abilities for better reparation heals or if its not that big of a difference and i can just dps from another tree. (building convictions is not an issue, i just wanna know if the healing/dps is any significant difference between the two.
    From what I can tell, while you get a higher conversion % of dmg to heal when using justicar abilities, it evens out when you figure in how low justicar dmg is, I run a inquisitor/justicar/sentinal build and I find I do more healing off inquisitor abilities especially in large ae fights, but the downside to it is inquisitor stuff doesnt build conviction, so I rotate even justice in; Fanaticism>Soul Drain>Even Justice x2>Circle of Oblivion, rinse and repeat and sprinkle in doctrines as needed, for single target I usually change to a druid/justicar/shaman spec

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim45682 View Post
    From what I can tell, while you get a higher conversion % of dmg to heal when using justicar abilities, it evens out when you figure in how low justicar dmg is, I run a inquisitor/justicar/sentinal build and I find I do more healing off inquisitor abilities especially in large ae fights, but the downside to it is inquisitor stuff doesnt build conviction, so I rotate even justice in; Fanaticism>Soul Drain>Even Justice x2>Circle of Oblivion, rinse and repeat and sprinkle in doctrines as needed, for single target I usually change to a druid/justicar/shaman spec
    could i possibly get these aforementioned specs? i kinda just wanna see a bunch of spec of what other people are running so i can compare and contrast them all

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGooch View Post
    could i possibly get these aforementioned specs? i kinda just wanna see a bunch of spec of what other people are running so i can compare and contrast them all
    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=10...kbgt0qz.AuMo0f
    thats the iquis spec, the single target spec is still fluid as I am tweaking and trying different combinations, but with the inquis spec on a good ae fight I will break 1200 dps with 200-400 hps depending on how much goes to overheal due to chloro/bard/wardens, if you wanted better heals you could drop 5 points from inquis and place them in Benediction in sentinal to increase heals by 5% but I have it this way cause this is mt solo farming spec and the 5 points in inquis is worth it solo

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    thanks ill try giving it a shot

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    still would like some help

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    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=10...z.Ex00t0c.xhMo

    700+ dps AND 700+ hps

    If you need more aoe healing then that stick with the standard Senticar.

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    I want to be lazy and ask a few questions before i start dumping money on remaking a bunch of builds to figure it out on my own. My main concern is whether reparation is really all that great for aoe heals. Of course im going to use it (mainly for the procs it gives to other stuff) but will the heals be much better if im only using justicar abilities? Would it be a huge difference if i just use other trees for dps and use non justicar light abilities to stack convictions? Also, is mana a huge issue after spamming Loyalty so much? Is the 4% mana per crit in shaman worth getting or is Purpose going to be enough?
    Im also considering trying Inquisitor for dps and stacking convictions instead of using melee, is it viable?
    on the above build Reparation usually accounts for ~100 hps.

    Yes you should be using other trees dmg abilities. Justi's abilities are very low dmg. The good stuff is when you stack light based abilities from other trees to gain convictions. 2 points in Inq for Sanction Heretic is an excellent option even for a purish Senticar.

    Mana IS a huge issue if you're spamming loyalty. You'll need to use purpose/ageless ice/fae hammer as much as possible. If you have 2-3 of those you should be fine as their 1m CD is pretty quick. If you only have say Purpose you'll need to rely on potions and mana song. Don't be shy about asking your Archon for their mana regen either.

    Inq works great with this kind of build but until 1.2 you'll do better as melee I think. I can't think of any raid bosses that require an aoe healer build that are super anti-melee.

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