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    Default Cleric Souls Dot Comparision

    Hi there,
    i just typed in all Cleric Dots and Dot Procs (Bolt proc..) into a google spreadsheet.

    Interesting to see, Sanction Heretic has far the lowest DPS while Curse of Solitude (Cabalist) has the highest dps and additionally the 24dmg for each action done by the target.

    All in all it seems a bit "random".

    Dark Water from Cabalist and
    Sanction Heretic from Inquisitor seem to be the same dots.
    However Dark water has 154 while Sanction Heretic has 152 damage.

    The total damage done varries a lot between the dots.....

    Seems a litle bit unbalanced for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayTC View Post
    Hi there,
    i just typed in all Cleric Dots and Dot Procs (Bolt proc..) into a google spreadsheet.

    Interesting to see, Sanction Heretic has far the lowest DPS while Curse of Solitude (Cabalist) has the highest dps and additionally the 24dmg for each action done by the target.

    All in all it seems a bit "random".

    Dark Water from Cabalist and
    Sanction Heretic from Inquisitor seem to be the same dots.
    However Dark water has 154 while Sanction Heretic has 152 damage.

    The total damage done varries a lot between the dots.....

    Seems a litle bit unbalanced for me.
    You seem to not account the Burst damage Sanction does..

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    erm... Sanction does 83 Initial Damage..same as Dark Water....thats all the Burst sanction does.

    Sanction gets higher due to some talents but were talking about the Basic dot values.

    DAMN forgot to add the document... BIG BIG Sorry

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    Last edited by DeeJayTC; 03-25-2011 at 03:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayTC View Post
    erm... Sanction does 83 Initial Damage..same as Dark Water....thats all the Burst sanction does.

    Sanction gets higher due to some talents but were talking about the Basic dot values.
    Sanction gets extremely higher due to talent while the rest don't. That's the key.

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    Yep...thats true...

    but vex for example, still has higher dps.
    Vex is increased by the same talents.

    Vex = high dps, Sanction = high burst..

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    Sanction is either, high dps and burst (with my specc higher than 2.5 sec cast bolt ^^) but both dots scale niceley.

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    Thats not correct..........(however corrected the values in my sheet)

    Both, Sanction Heretic AND Vex scale with the same Talents and both scale with more than 36 points.

    BUT
    Vex has much higher base values than Sanction Heretic.

    While both scale with the same things and none of both is increased alone, heretic cant do more dps than vex.

    at least if you calculate dps by total damage / duration

    Vex has 16.6 base dps , while Sanction has 10.1
    If we count in the inital damage:
    Vex does 249 Damage over 15s = 16.6 DPS
    Heretic does 235 Damage over 15s = 15.6 DPS and thats WITH initial damage


    If we start counting in the Cooldown of Sanction it all goes to Vex....
    Last edited by DeeJayTC; 03-25-2011 at 03:42 AM.

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    My Sanction deals 760 initial damage (unbuffed, undebuffed enemy) and ticks 5 times for 173 each.
    Vex deals 173 each tick, ticking 6 times (first tick is upon casting) Same duration.

    I don't think I need to add this up for you, 760 > 173. SH does more damage.
    Last edited by Thellian; 03-25-2011 at 03:52 AM.

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    I'm using a 42/14/10 Inq. / Caba / Sentinel build

    Casted Vex and Sanction once on the boss dummy and this is what my parser says.
    And the CD on Sanction is not really an issue since it's the same as the dot duration which means you can have 100% uptime.

    Sanction VS Vex

    Both got one crit each on the dot and ofc Sanction didn't crit on initial damage.
    Last edited by freche; 03-25-2011 at 04:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayTC View Post
    erm... Sanction does 83 Initial Damage..same as Dark Water....thats all the Burst sanction does.

    Sanction gets higher due to some talents but were talking about the Basic dot values.

    DAMN forgot to add the document... BIG BIG Sorry

    Spreadsheet
    Are you just using baselines and not accounting for spellpower? Sanction Heretic is BUFF with 51 point inquisitor. Alpha test realm i had it hitting for around 800 with 220 damage ticks on 51inq/5ward/10sent.

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    Well...yes im using the base line damage for my calculations.

    And correct me if im wrong, but as far as i know the talents affect both vex and heretic.

    As Vex has a "better staring point"

    there must be something that affects heretic more than vex.
    Heretic seems to scale better than vex then.

    Besides that.. your screenshot says nothing...if we talk about dps the total amount of damage is not realy saying much.
    Youd need to post the whole table with all the values. ACT is better for that.

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    Well in this case total damage says something.

    Both have instant cast and the same duration.
    In my case:
    Sanction Heretic: 1929 / 15 = 128,6 dps
    Vex = 1200 / 15 = 80 dps

    But you can not just stare yourself blind on the dps, in that case I wouldn't do anything but spamming BoJ.
    What matter is how much damage does certain abilities based on the cast time. 1900 damage on a 1.5sec cast is quite nice, I don't even get that with a BoD crit.

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