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    Default Put a 10sec CD on Detonate

    Boom, Sab's fixed in one small change. You would actually have to use *GASP* other abilities. Goodbye 1,1,1,1,1,2!

    You guys have amazing AoE, amazing control and right now have the highest single target DPS and way over the top burst.

    Your class is FILLED with AoE abilities, Sab from the class page is suppose to be a trap/control class, I don't think Trion ment to make them the primier nuker of the game. Nice little CD would do wonders.

    That is all.

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    I don't play sab, but wouldn't it take 10 seconds to apply another 5 charges?

    So don't they already kinda have a 10sec CD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnknownAspect View Post
    I don't play sab, but wouldn't it take 10 seconds to apply another 5 charges?

    So don't they already kinda have a 10sec CD?
    No 5 seconds. They have a faster GCD than everyone else including the other casters for some reason...

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    You've posted in at least two other sabo threads, you know they exist. You know how to respond to posts within, there is a multitude of discussion (good and bad to some degree) within those threads.

    Unless it is a thread necro this thread serves little purpose other then to avoid the discussions already started and rehash topics that have already been covered.

    There is little/no need for this thread as at this moment there are THREE threads about roughly the same topic of contention (nerfing or not nerfing sabos in the discussions) that are semi active because of people wanting to either avoid discussion or avoid people contending their point.
    Last edited by Shatteredstar; 02-28-2011 at 12:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonymac View Post
    Boom, Sab's fixed in one small change. You would actually have to use *GASP* other abilities. Goodbye 1,1,1,1,1,2!

    You guys have amazing AoE, amazing control and right now have the highest single target DPS and way over the top burst.

    Your class is FILLED with AoE abilities, Sab from the class page is suppose to be a trap/control class, I don't think Trion ment to make them the primier nuker of the game. Nice little CD would do wonders.

    That is all.
    Then they have no spammable DPS ability. Bombs have too long a cooldown (15 seconds without talents) and have too little single target damage. Yes, they could get (untalented) abilities from secondary souls, but every other class (including healers) can be self sufficient for dps. That is too big a PVE change to attempt to balance low level pvp(which even in pvp, the lack of a dps ability is overbalancing).
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    Not sure the OP is right, but in the first Beta the Sab was by far the worst soul in the game, broken in every possible way. They have slightly over compensated for this.

    Marksman got the nerf it needed in the last patch before headstart, Trion will deal with the Sab as well, they just may have bigger priorities right now, like launching the game on the 1st.

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    If anything is done to the sab it needs to be 1 charge per combo point...

    Get away from this 5 charges, strong finisher, 1CP ability, detonate...

    Charges doing full damage on a 1 CP detonate is the real issue imo.

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    Put charges on a regular 1.5 second GCD and that would help for starters. People say right now that "oh but they aren't doing any damage for 5 seconds so it balances out" however with a 1 second GCD they do end up doing more damage than most souls.

    I think more emphasis needs to be placed on using their bombs and less on using their charges. Reduce the cooldowns on the bombs and give them a better single target dps option that isn't solely focused on charges.

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    Then they have no spammable DPS ability. Bombs have too long a cooldown (15 seconds without talents) and have too little single target damage. Yes, they could get (untalented) abilities from secondary souls, but every other class (including healers) can be self sufficient for dps. That is too big a PVE change to attempt to balance low level pvp(which even in pvp, the lack of a dps ability is overbalancing).
    Saboteurs are so OP this poor one has forgotten he even has other souls.

    Or that a keyboard has more keys than the four arrow keys and a 1 and a 2.

    Trion, what have you done to this poor boy?

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    SABS are the most stupid OP class in this game with detonate etc.. its just like flamespear needs a ******* COOLDOWN....... grrrrrr
    Invictius, Make PVP Uber or Die a Slow Death....

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    The OP has obviously never played a Sabateur. Detonate is their only finisher, they don't get anything else.

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    Another valid question is why all the charges are instant cast?

    Why is Detonate instant cast?

    Why is everything instant cast?

    If you gave Sab's a 1 second cast time on all charges and Detonate then their PvE... as hideously OP as it is... would be unaffected, but their PvP power would drop dramatically.

    Also, why do charges last 1 minute? ?????? I mean really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themistocles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Orishas View Post
    Then they have no spammable DPS ability. Bombs have too long a cooldown (15 seconds without talents) and have too little single target damage. Yes, they could get (untalented) abilities from secondary souls, but every other class (including healers) can be self sufficient for dps. That is too big a PVE change to attempt to balance low level pvp(which even in pvp, the lack of a dps ability is overbalancing).
    Saboteurs are so OP this poor one has forgotten he even has other souls.

    Or that a keyboard has more keys than the four arrow keys and a 1 and a 2.

    Trion, what have you done to this poor boy?
    Poor Themistocles, so full of rage he's forgotten how to read past the first sentence. PVP, what have you done to this poor boy?

    (And for the record, my only role with saboteur is zero points for the snare, it doesnt use the charges )
    Last edited by Orishas; 02-28-2011 at 01:18 PM.

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    A cooldown on detonate is not the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcaliber View Post
    The OP has obviously never played a Sabateur. Detonate is their only finisher, they don't get anything else.
    This, basically. Putting their ONLY finisher on a 10 sec CD might break the class. Since the Sab(at lower levels, since this is where much of the hate is) only has his bombs, charges, and detonate, removing detonate would only leave the Sab his bombs. Between 10 and 19, the sab gets 3 bombs, all on a 15 second CD. Only two of these bombs do damage, one being an AoE explosion, the other being an on-the-ground AoE(terrible damage btw). This means the Sab only has 1 real damage source outside detonate. So, because the Sab has a 1sec GCD and we assume the Sab just used detonate, he spends 5 seconds setting charges, 1 second for his decent damage bomb...and has to wait 4 more seconds of being starved of any damage or spells to do damage? That seems...overkill.

    As for having 2 other souls, any finisher used would remove the combo points, but leave the charges. This means detonate would then still not be usable for another 5 seconds, since the Sab would need to reapply 5 charges. Each soul should be able to be self-sustainable, not have to rely on other souls to compete in PvP or even successfully solo. While synergy with other souls is good, it shouldn't be necessary. If you take any other soul by itself, not one soul would have the damaging down time like a Sab would if detonate was put on a 10 second CD. Sabs would need to be given some sort of spamable damaging bomb to make up for it.

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