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    Default 51 Points

    I know this game gives you a lot of freedom in terms of customizing your characters Class with all of these Soul combinations, but to be honest and it's just the way my mind works - I can't help but put 51 into a Soul and have it be my Class, I'm just not feeling the "share the points between 2 or 3 Souls" it makes that particular Soul feel incomplete to me.

    Which brings me to my question: Is it viable to play the game with 51 point Souls? See, I really like the Paladin Soul but I just don't feel the other Souls in the Warrior calling - personally and from a RP perspective. I plan on playing a Tank but I also want to go DPS for solo-questing so the only thing I could really come up with is - 51 point Paladin for Tanking and 51 point Champion for DPS so I could switch between those.

    Again, I know we have the freedom but I'm curious - is it viable to play the game this way? Also, I like Justicar and Druid but the same thing applies there: Could I do the 51 point builds with those Souls also?

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    Sure it's viable. 51pt Bard is probably the best support class in the entire game.

    Just use any extra points in souls that supplement your main soul's abilities.
    Last edited by Marduke; 02-19-2011 at 10:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marduke View Post
    Sure it's viable. 51pt Bard is probably the best support class in the entire game.

    Just use any extra points in souls that supplement your main soul's abilities.
    Awesome, thanks - I'm not sure what I'll spend the extra 15 points on, the only thing I can see is some of the Passive stat boosts / buffs early on in other Souls.

    Something like this, what do you think?

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    I've felt the same about my mage with the Chloromancer soul. Mostly because I really like the 51 point spell... whether it is good is to be seen, since there are no lvl 50s yet. I do plan to do the same with my mage.

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    The best part about the game is the give and take in the soul system. A 51/15 point build is in no way bad and in most cases will give you a bonus in that soul. A 34/32 build will also get you a great build that will gain most of the abilities of two souls. Of course a 32/18/16 build can offer a lot also. I don't think trion's goal is to limit you on building your toon but to allow the ability for vast variances in builds so your not seeing carbon copy's ruining around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oonsar View Post
    The best part about the game is the give and take in the soul system. A 51/15 point build is in no way bad and in most cases will give you a bonus in that soul. A 34/32 build will also get you a great build that will gain most of the abilities of two souls. Of course a 32/18/16 build can offer a lot also. I don't think trion's goal is to limit you on building your toon but to allow the ability for vast variances in builds so your not seeing carbon copy's ruining around.
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    You got it exactly right. And Trion lets you have the 4 slots for roles. So you could have 4 Warrior souls maxxed to 51/15 and do well with all of them in the situation the soul is needed.

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    There is no one class that you see coming at you and say "I know I need to do X and Y cause it is class Z"

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    Currently the only problem with 51 pointers is that you have to take so many useless points (talking from a warrior perspective) like parry for a dps spec just isn't right.
    So most likely some souls will benefit a lot from the 51 where as others u can't justify putting 20 points into whats for most souls are useless talents. Again this is beta so can't really see how it will turn out in endgame.

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    I will have to disagree with 51 point bards being a good idea. 25-34 is more than enough.
    Last edited by Slic; 02-21-2011 at 05:55 AM.

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    Most full trees will have some useless talents, but that's the price you have to pay if you want that last talent.

    I still have the feeling that splitting between 2 souls (or 3) will result in better results, though. There are usually some synergies that you won't get if you only invest in just one soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Slic View Post
    I will have to disagree with 51 point bards being a good idea. 25-34 is more than enough.
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    I've spent all evening playing with a soul builder now beta has closed trying to settle on my 2 characters I want to level.

    Firstly a Rogue tank, with me playng round with varying points in RS, BD, Brd and others.
    And that pales in comparission to the amount of chloromancer builds I've made with Necro, Elementalis, warlock and archon secondaries, all with varying points in chloro.

    Make the class you want and what works for you. From the detailed and informed, and often heated!, discussion on these forums its clear that there is a huge variety in 'viable' builds. So yes, take 51 points if you want, you'll be very very good at that souls specialism, maybe lack some flexibility due to lower secondary soul points, but hey, work around it and play to your strengths.

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    This is something that for the lift of my I can't understand.

    If Rift is going to be so much more than other mmo's, why can't they get past the cripplingly limited amount of talent points and just give players a few extra points to spend?

    Give players another 10 or 20 points. Then we can all enjoy having three souls, otherwise your so called amazing customisation is a lie.

    More points = more fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nian View Post
    This is something that for the lift of my I can't understand.

    If Rift is going to be so much more than other mmo's, why can't they get past the cripplingly limited amount of talent points and just give players a few extra points to spend?

    Give players another 10 or 20 points. Then we can all enjoy having three souls, otherwise your so called amazing customisation is a lie.

    More points = more fun.
    Primarily, because more points allows combining certain abilities in ways that will have to result in nerfing/changing one or both of the abilities. Say you add 10 pts., Trion would now have to evaluate every possible combination of 51+16, 51+20, 44+32, 44+26, 38+32, etc root abilities and adjust as needed. They also would have to re-evaluate the placement of branch abilities to make sure there is no crazy 31/21/21 type combination of over-poweredness. 66 points is plenty to go around.

    more points =/= more fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nian View Post
    This is something that for the lift of my I can't understand.

    If Rift is going to be so much more than other mmo's, why can't they get past the cripplingly limited amount of talent points and just give players a few extra points to spend?

    Give players another 10 or 20 points. Then we can all enjoy having three souls, otherwise your so called amazing customisation is a lie.

    More points = more fun.
    Its called choices. If you can just max out 3 souls, you get clone characters, if you have to choose how to spend those points you get to make your own character which may be different.
    There is real choice, just look at the debates on this forum.

    Fun is for me making my choices and making them work. Not having a talent tree I have to max to use like some other mmos I could mention.

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    Given the 51 point powerful abilities in most souls, we will find many will choose the best specific soul and just max that out.

    In truth to not having enough spare points means that the choice is not there as much as you would think there is. Not to forget the unpleasant taste in peoples mouths when they can't get the maxed potential of their chosen soul without ignoring the one of the other souls they chose.

    This in itself could make people become unhappy, little things like this are what stop people playing certain mmo's.

    To be honest, with 66 points at level 50, and you would normally spend 51 points in your main soul for the big top ability. Having only 15 points left over for your other two souls, just isn't quite enough.

    A further 6 points, so that you have 21 points left for the other two souls would be much better and enjoyable, without the feeling of having a wasted soul tree.
    Last edited by Nian; 02-21-2011 at 07:22 PM.

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