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    Default Chloromancer vs Cleric

    Here is healing parse from Foul Cascade run.
    Do you think Chloromancer can be better healer than Cleric?
    Check parser output.

    Zone wide:
    111 HPS - lvl 29 Chloromancer
    69 HPS - lvl 28 Sentinel/Warden

    Matron Verosa:
    162 HPS - lvl 29 Chloromancer
    97 HPS - lvl 28 Sentinel/Warden

    Countess Surin Skenobar:
    182 HPS - lvl 29 Chloromancer
    65 HPS - lvl 28 Sentinel/Warden

    Krasimir Barionov:
    197 HPS - lvl 29 Chloromancer
    157 HPS - lvl 28 Sentinel/Warden

    Queen Vallnara:
    253 HPS - lvl 29 Chloromancer
    108 HPS - lvl 28 Sentinel/Warden

    My main is Cleric, I'm not happy with that...

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    Thanks for the post, I’m really looking forward to some clear comparison between chloromancers and the three healing specs of clerics.

    I have a level 34 cleric at the moment, tried a lot of combinations between the souls, and ended up by choosing a mix of sentinel-warden as my preferred one for now.

    I won’t have time to raise a chloromancer of comparable level before the beta ends, but I’d really like to know which class to pick at the release. At the moment looks like the chloro is going really strong, but then if it really beats any combination of the three (!) healing souls on cleric side, what is the point of the whole cleric class?

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    Sadly, if our heal was any stronger, most of the other class PvP/PKer will come whining, lmao.

    5 players ganking on 1 cleric at low lvl and still lost. they say OP, lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atronach View Post
    Here is healing parse from Foul Cascade run.
    Do you think Chloromancer can be better healer than Cleric?
    Check parser output.

    Zone wide:
    111 HPS - lvl 29 Chloromancer
    69 HPS - lvl 28 Sentinel/Warden

    Matron Verosa:
    162 HPS - lvl 29 Chloromancer
    97 HPS - lvl 28 Sentinel/Warden

    Countess Surin Skenobar:
    182 HPS - lvl 29 Chloromancer
    65 HPS - lvl 28 Sentinel/Warden

    Krasimir Barionov:
    197 HPS - lvl 29 Chloromancer
    157 HPS - lvl 28 Sentinel/Warden

    Queen Vallnara:
    253 HPS - lvl 29 Chloromancer
    108 HPS - lvl 28 Sentinel/Warden

    My main is Cleric, I'm not happy with that...
    Those #s mean nothing without context that is way more specific like gear skill level etc.
    Last edited by Fluffycalico; 02-16-2011 at 03:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atronach View Post
    Here is healing parse from Foul Cascade run.
    Do you think Chloromancer can be better healer than Cleric?
    Check parser output.

    Zone wide:
    111 HPS - lvl 29 Chloromancer
    69 HPS - lvl 28 Sentinel/Warden

    Matron Verosa:
    162 HPS - lvl 29 Chloromancer
    97 HPS - lvl 28 Sentinel/Warden

    Countess Surin Skenobar:
    182 HPS - lvl 29 Chloromancer
    65 HPS - lvl 28 Sentinel/Warden

    Krasimir Barionov:
    197 HPS - lvl 29 Chloromancer
    157 HPS - lvl 28 Sentinel/Warden

    Queen Vallnara:
    253 HPS - lvl 29 Chloromancer
    108 HPS - lvl 28 Sentinel/Warden

    My main is Cleric, I'm not happy with that...
    1) I read til the word "Parser"... no more info needed
    2) Chloromancer is a mage healer, why would he not heal well. Your Cleric can dps. Just roll a Chloro if your tool shows you he heals better. Otherwise why should you care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffycalico View Post
    Those #s mean nothing without context that is way more specific like gear skill level etc.
    Not nesseasry to know all of this.
    You have to know just two words 'Lifegiving Veil'
    This one ability count for 70-80% of all Chloromancer's healing parse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atronach View Post
    Here is healing parse from Foul Cascade run.
    Do you think Chloromancer can be better healer than Cleric?
    Check parser output.

    Zone wide:
    111 HPS - lvl 29 Chloromancer
    69 HPS - lvl 28 Sentinel/Warden

    Matron Verosa:
    162 HPS - lvl 29 Chloromancer
    97 HPS - lvl 28 Sentinel/Warden

    Countess Surin Skenobar:
    182 HPS - lvl 29 Chloromancer
    65 HPS - lvl 28 Sentinel/Warden

    Krasimir Barionov:
    197 HPS - lvl 29 Chloromancer
    157 HPS - lvl 28 Sentinel/Warden

    Queen Vallnara:
    253 HPS - lvl 29 Chloromancer
    108 HPS - lvl 28 Sentinel/Warden

    My main is Cleric, I'm not happy with that...
    Parsing heals right now is NOT EFFECTIVE. Mosto f Chloro healing is overhealing on a group. Can your parse tell that? No.. then it is a waste.

    What good is high HPS is you don't have on demand healing when the tank needs it.

    This is why people HATE meters... they do not relay enough information so people try to post GARBAGE statistics.

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    Just keep in mind one thing.


    PVP..

    Clerics have heavy armor and therefor doesnt die as much.
    Which then means - the longer u stay alive, the more u heal! a dead healer, is a useless healer.

    Chloros, still only have cloth! which means they die easy. I think chloros can put out a awesome amount of healing - but at the cost of that, the die a bit easier then the clerics do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soredamarr View Post
    Just keep in mind one thing. PVP..
    My fault, I have to put this info into first post - Im not interested in pvp.
    Im just asking why Mage can parse SO MUCH more than Cleric.

    One Mage ability can't overheal all Cleric abilities IMO.
    Maybe there is bug or something like that with 'Lifegiving Veil'.
    Last edited by Atronach; 02-16-2011 at 04:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korrow View Post
    Most of Chloro healing is overhealing on a group. Can your parse tell that?
    Yes, I can see this in parser. I can check how many heals are overheals.

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    What is the point of the cleric class when a chloromancer can outheal a cleric?
    I'm really disappointed.

    @Mucera
    "Your cleric can DPS" So can the chloro and even better... so once again the chloro wins.

    I normally play a main healer but in this game I'm being forced to choose a mage calling to play the best healer? That is not right!!!!
    Last edited by Maplebee; 02-16-2011 at 04:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atronach View Post
    One Mage ability can't overheal all Cleric abilities IMO.
    Maybe there is bug or something like that with 'Lifegiving Veil'.
    Lifegiving Veil isn't an ability that the mage repeatedly casts, it is a buff that converts the mages life damage into splash healing for the group, and (with synthesys) main healing for the tank. So for every damage spell that the mage casts there is a Lifegiving Veil proc.

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    the key difference is in realizing that the chloro has less control over his heals vs the cleric healing souls.

    so, the chloro can splash heals around to pile on numbers, but if he ends up in a bad situation, he's got two buttons with two excruciatingly long cooldowns to press, and that's about it.

    i would go so far as to suggest that the cleric switch to a dps role while clearing and let the chloro heal, then use a pure healing build for bosses (and possibly have the chloro switch to something else depending on how important sheer dps is)

    another thing to note is that since the chloro is providing constant healing with his dps, he's naturally going to have the better looking numbers on a parser. it doesn't mean the cleric was incapable of healing the damage (for example, spamming an inefficient heal to keep everyone topped off is pretty pointless), just that the nature of the chloro's healing will make it look better on a parser.

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    it's not much diff than vanilla WoW with a holy paladin (ie cleric) and holy priest (ie chloromancer). a cloth healer SHOULD have higher HPS than a plate healer... for some stupid reason people think clerics are the best healers because of Everquest where the ONLy healers were clerics until the expansions let shamans and druids heal. But there is a huge difference between EQ and ALL the other games that came after. EQ did NOT have a cloth healing class, ALL other games did and in games that do, the cloth healers have the highest HPS, not to mention they always have the biggest mana pool of the different healers since cloth = pure mage = nothing but int = tons of mana.

    I'm confused at the OP, you should know without even playing the game that a cloth healer > plate healer at HPS, your parses only prove to you what you should already know... But there is al ot more to it than just HPS, when i spec into chloro on my mage I die so fast! much better the other specs and just screw healing...

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    Wouldn't a choloromancer (or bard) aoe healing the party do more hps than a cleric targeting players taking damage? If the cleric in those parses was spam aoe healing the tank and tossing hots on everyone I'm sure his hps would be higher.

    Even if you show overheal from those parse it could be a simple as "you had a good cleric" that understands predictable incoming damage and let your heals do most of the work. No reason to top someone off and waste mana if you have someone in group doing constant aoe healing.

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