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    Default [1.11] Support Classes and You. Archon | Bard | BM Buff Details

    So I'm gonna be ballsy and try to make a comprehensive guide as to what he support class can do, and what we should do during raid.

    Currently the preffered supports to run in a raid is bard and archon. Until BM can put 61 points in, they are the current underdogs. You might also be thinking BM can do some unique things too when Archon is around, but the overall DPS lose isnt worth 1 or 2 skills IMO.

    I have also gathered Beastmaster IS a FULL Archon replacement if needed... However it is not a full Bard replacement. Some of the things bards do are too unique for now, but when we can spec 61 points in Archon or BM new twists will arise.

    Archons should be casting and keeping up:
    -Vitality of Stone (Offensive Stat Buffs)
    -Shared Vigor (Endurance)
    -Arcane Aegis (Resistance Armor)
    -Burning Purpose (10% Increased Cast Time/Attack Speed)
    -Lava Field (Heal and Damage Output AoE)
    -Surging Flare (3% Increased Cast Speed)
    -Volcanic Bomb (5% Increased Damage Done)
    -Flaring Power (5 Min CD 15% Increased SP/AP)
    -Spark Shower (15% Movement Speed)

    Bards should be keeping up, as Archons can not....)
    -Motif of Bravery (Static AP/SP)
    -Motif of Bravery (5% Critical Chance Buff)*
    -Motif of Tenacity (5% Reduced Damage Taken)
    -Motif of Regeneration (5% Increased Taken Heals)**
    -Anthem of Fervor (5% Resource Use Reduction)
    -Anthem of Competence (15% Movement Speed)***

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    IF you wanted to replace Archon with Beastmaster, THIS is what you two need to keep up.

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    Beastmasters should be casting and keeping up:
    -Bond of Power (Offensive Stat Buffs)
    -Bond of Shelter (Resistance Armor)
    -Call of the Forest (Not Yet Available) (10% Increased Cast Time/Attack Speed)
    -Call of Kinship (5% Increased Taken Heals)**
    -Primal Lucidity (3% Increased Cast Speed)
    -Call of Savagery (5% Increased Damage Done)
    -Command To Attack (5 Min CD 15% Increased SP/AP)


    Bards should be keeping up, as Beastmasters can not....)
    -Fanfare of Vigor (Endurance)
    -Motif of Bravery (Static AP/SP)
    -Motif of Bravery (5% Critical Chance Buff)*
    -Motif of Tenacity (5% Reduced Damage Taken)
    -Motif of Regeneration (5% Increased Taken Heals)**
    -Anthem of Fervor (5% Resource Use Reduction)
    -Anthem of Competence (15% Movement Speed)***
    -Orchestra of the Planes (Not Yet Available) (Heal and Damage Output AoE)

    NOTES
    * - Archons use Earthern Barrage in there DPS macro so this will have more uptime.
    ** - They only last for a couple seconds each also, so they can be alternated on and off between the two supports for more uptime.
    ***- Stack for now... Ive read things on the forums that make it sound like they will be nerfing it.



    This is not a complete list... There are more buffs and debuffs each spec can provide that I havent gotten to doing yet... More to come when I do the research. This SHOULD give you a good base for what to do in raid for the next few nights.
    If you see an issues, let me know. Input is appreciated.
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    Thanks for putting this together!

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    A complete list of all Buffs/Debuffs can be found here.

    http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-gene...-analysis.html

    Btw Motif of Bravery is now a unique 1% critbuff that stacks with other classes critbuffs.
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    something in raids keeps cancelling my Enrage channel, whether it be instantly cancelled at the start of the channel or mid way through.

    I've tested abit with our bard and archon and figured out it isnt, Cowardice, Distress, Volcanic Bomb, or Earthern Barrage.

    I even ticketed it hoping for an answer but the reply was that no errors were found so i have absolutley no idea.

    If anyone knows anything it'd be a great help

    did find out however call of stone overwrites the bard motif of tenacity and prevent resonances from being refreshed on bard finisher >_>

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    You forgot about +7% damage to raid from BM. Unique.
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    I wanted to come out and say the following pretty definitively: There is no goal to make DPS clerics that DPS do less damage than other callings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iri View Post
    You forgot about +7% damage to raid from BM. Unique.
    As far as i can tell Enraged Companion does not exist anymore.

    And Call of Savagery (which has the Icon from Enraged Companion's Raidbuff) now is a 5% Damageincrease that does not stack with Volanic Bomb and/or Natural Dedication.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azunia View Post
    As far as i can tell Enraged Companion does not exist anymore.

    And Call of Savagery (which has the Icon from Enraged Companion's Raidbuff) now is a 5% Damageincrease that does not stack with Volanic Bomb and/or Natural Dedication.
    Enraged Companion does exist sometimes for players who had it on their bar from before, however this is a bug and it will stop working.

    OP: Once we get 61 Beastmaster then Beastmaster/Bard will be the optimal combination as Beastmaster's versions of Archon buffs have 100% uptime. Currently Beastmaster does not get a version of Burning Purpose as you mentioned (and a lot of them are not speccing into Primal Lucidity unfortunately) so Archon/Bard is the better combo, though I maintain that running all 3 is currently worth doing for the combination of Burning Purpose, better uptime of Surging Flare/Primal Lucidity, and 100% uptime of other buffs. At level 60 the only unique abilities the Archon will bring are Power Drain and Point to Point.
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    Just tested it Friday night and we were still getting Enraged Companion buff from our BM...
    Quote Originally Posted by Daglar View Post
    I wanted to come out and say the following pretty definitively: There is no goal to make DPS clerics that DPS do less damage than other callings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iri View Post
    Just tested it Friday night and we were still getting Enraged Companion buff from our BM...
    As I said this is a bug, it should not be. It is replaced by Call of Savagery which is not unique but has a better uptime than the Archon buff.
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    Oh, so the bug is that the buff actually still exists? Weird.
    Quote Originally Posted by Daglar View Post
    I wanted to come out and say the following pretty definitively: There is no goal to make DPS clerics that DPS do less damage than other callings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azunia View Post
    A complete list of all Buffs/Debuffs can be found here.

    http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-gene...-analysis.html

    Btw Motif of Bravery is now a unique 1% critbuff that stacks with other classes critbuffs.
    Where did you find this change? I dont have a rogue so I cant see it myself :X The person who helped me is away for a little while.

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    No lingering dust? Even if the mobs immune.. you get the buff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iri View Post
    Oh, so the bug is that the buff actually still exists? Weird.
    I had the same confusion. Basically, if before 1.11 you had the buff (it was actually on your pet) up, your pet will still have the appearance of this buff (though it does nothing). It claims to have +7% damage, but does not. And yes, the buff appears on your bar, but goes away, if the pet dies or is dismissed.

    Just right click on it to get it to not display anymore. You will never see it again.

    Thurfor

    PS: the new one still requires a finisher to start the 15s 5% buff. Thus, if you are stuck out in range (or say, dancing in PF), the benefit will drop. In SL, you can put a few points in Tempest and get a ranged finisher, but till then, make sure you're in melee and can hit a finisher at least once per 15s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mo0trix View Post
    No lingering dust? Even if the mobs immune.. you get the buff.

    Oh wow, Thank you! Told you I might have missed a few xD As a fellow archon I feel ashamed I missed it :P Ill add it tonight when im not using my phone to browse the forums

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    Most of the time we have been having the beastmaster run his version of Volcanic Bomb since they can keep the buff up easy and it is a dps loss (spell doesn't hit very hard) for the archon if they cast it.

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