Lol this proves every post that people crying that the nerfs werent based on pvp!Originally Posted by Synjin
Trion said they would never nerf classes to balance them for pvp- but here they have doen exactlly that- what a load of crap!
Trion your game stinks- good luck with the pvp kids!
AND there are videos of PVP mage taking on 4-5 players at the same time by himself!
now tell me that warrants a BUFF?
Last edited by Ianb4all; 03-28-2011 at 07:04 PM.
it means whatever just happened is worse than an "error #2000" but not as bad as an "error #2002"?
Huh?
AOE is for trash. (And not necessarily all trash, either, weak trash.) Nobody cares about it. It's single target damage that matters in raid settings.
Guess what? Half the Souls in the game do mostly physical damage. People are wearing leather for PvE, where durability is largely irrelevant.
Mages have **** for CC. No seriously, tell me the CC my Warlock/Chloromancer has. Look it the **** up. I have to spend 44 points into Warlock to get a fear that Champions get for 11 points. I have to spend 36 points in Warlock that gets me a 5 second Single target silence. For 38 points Sabs get an 8 second AoE silence. But please, continue to tell me how awesome mages are at CC. You'll only prove that you don't have a ****ing clue.
Next compare the number of silences to disarms.
Lets be clear: Other than Dominator Warrior souls have more CC than mage souls. Even dominator doesn't have nearly as much CC as you think because a lot of Mage CC is pre-gimped and has its duration reduced 75% in PvP. Frankly after the Mana wrench nerf dominator is dead in PvP. It needs to be redesigned to be effective.
Lets reduce Warrior damage 75% and see how effective your class is, ok?
lol keep dreaming you over powered nerd- you need much more of a nerf and you know it- cry all you want- this class needs a massive nerf and its goign to kill the game as noone will play anything but mage- your way way op- more so then warriors or sabo pre 1.1 patch and now your geting even more power- what you think this puny 14% nerf is enough? it needs much much more with no buffs!
it means whatever just happened is worse than an "error #2000" but not as bad as an "error #2002"?
Huh?
It isn't a 14% nerf Senior Dunce, it is a 50% nerf.
I cant tell if this guy is trolling or not.
Tell that to the reaver/paladin nerfs.
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Ok, I'll tell them: just as meaningless for you as mages.
Nobody cares about this stuff in raids, or even 5 mans. This game doesn't revolve around solo AOE grinding. I'm amazed that not only is this being offered seriously, but is popping up in several threads as the warrior talking point of the day.
Get new ones. This one is deeply silly.
first thing, these mobs in stillmoor got half the HP of true mobs, they are meant to be killed easy.
second thing, i do 5x time better with my riftblade/reaver without having to drink or resummon pet. I wouldnt trade my warrior for a class that almost die at taking weak trash mobs.
third thing, the only was he was staying alive is through the spore, next patch while doing this he will die
fourth thing, warriors seem jaelous of our CC? Ok, ill trade my CC versus yours, youll be crying. Lets take the pyromancer since alot of PVP-er are running 51 pyro for fulminate and ground of lol.
Burn that disarm 5sec and cost 7% of our mana and have 50sec cd doable within 30m
Wriststrike from paragon disarm 5sec and cost 10 energie (that refill over time) and have a 30sec cd, doable withing 3m
Clarification : warrior goes "yeah so what, you can do it at 30m!!!" rofl ... i wont go disarm you at 30m, ill keep spamming fireball, ill wait for you to get close to me first. If i know you are bullrushing then ill do it at 21m but i hardly have the time to do it in a WF. 1v1 is a different story but still, Paragon CC win there
Flashfire that stun the target for 5 sec BUT STUN THE MAGE FOR 2 SEC so thats basically a 3 sec stun for 7% of our mana for 45sec within 30m
Bullrush talented stun the target for 3 sec for 10 energy each 15 sec + physical damage and cost 2 talent point. For a third talent point you can do it in combat.
Titanstrike that stun the target for 5 sec , cost again 10 ENERGY , can be done each 60 sec and does A TREMENDOUS POWERFUL AOE DAMAGE. Matched with proper timing it is always a critical.
Clarification : Here again the warrior is way superior in CC because his do damage and can be used more often. Once i did flashfire to save my life but the guy use the pvp tree spell and finished me off. Warrior will QQ saying "WE HAVE TO INVEST DEEEP!!!" i say to you, Flashfire is a lvl26 ability so that mean i have to put 26 point to get it, you can have youre a fully talented bullrush at 22 point or a titanstrike at 31. I would gladly trade flashfire with you.
Burning bonds talented : 6% mana, immobilise the target for 8sec withing 30m BUT COST 4 TALENT POINT TO MAKE IT WORTHWHILE. 30 sec CD
Stonespear : 20 energy , 20 m , doing damage to the target and rooting him for 5sec , come back each 30sec. THIS ABILITY CAN BE FORKED WITHOUT TRIGGERING GCD. This talent can be upgrade for 4 point like the mage and gain the chance to be forked to THREE PEOPLE and can be done EACH 15 Seconds.
Clarification: The spear spell are really powerful, you can do damage by forking them, you can stun people and later silence up to three people each 15sec. I still dont know why warriors are jaelous.
Backdraft : doing crappy damage, less then a spear spell but it is aoe. 0.5 cast 155 mana (dont know how much at 50, would need to check). 25 meter range and 2 sec stun. 30 sec cd
Clarification : do i need to go back on the warriors stun?
I wont comment the GoS spell. If it was used in AOE or if the mage spammed flamebolt it could be a nice source of CC but it is getting nerfed, i do agree wit hthe nerf for that. But i do agree on most of the warriors/rogues nerf except some for the VK and Reaver.
Now lets just take a look at a slow spell from the warlock, since alot of Pyro, storm etc. go get some point in the warlock
Wither : 3% mana, 1.5 sec cast . 30 meter. 70% speed reduction for 8sec , 15sec CD
Legsweep : 30 energie , instant , no CD , 70% speed reduction for 15 sec and does damage.3 m range. i tested it in game and it seem like its 70% , me and my friend were going the same speed when he was whitered.
Clarification : it last longer , it does damage, its spammable, no CD. What do you want more? it is way better then wither.
I wont go in the dominator tree because calculation will get complicated. It is an entire tree devoted to CC, like the voidknight is an entire tree devoted to kill caster. They dont do a ton of dps, they are there to mess up the other team while others do the killing. In 1v1 it will never be fair for CC against a dominator. Nor it wont be faire for a caster in front of a VK (well see with the patch).
In conclusion, many warriors cry about our CC but seriously, when you take a close look to them, i would trade mine any day to get what the warriors get. You say range, i say i wont slow you when youre 30meter away from me not paying attention to me. When you turn at that 30m and come running toward me, the 1.5sec cast time on wither, you already bullrushed interrupted me and even if it land, you are on me, slowed but youre still titan striking my face like no tomorow.
So stop QQ and be glad of what you have crybabies
Hey, this is the EXACT reason Reavers/Paladins were nerfed. Mages AoE will be next.LoL at a pve vid..good job good job
PvE > PvP in Rift apparently.
This "deeply silly" reason is the #1 reason 2 tank souls are getting nerfed to ****.
Nice try though.
Are you going to lose your tanking spot in raids as a result? No? Then what's the problem?
Stop being such a freaking crybaby.
Agree with OP
Buff mages, they do crap(7440) dmg atm! Buff mages!
God you are so wrong. You don't wither someone who is running towards you, thats not kiting. You can kite a warrior around without ever letting him in range to bullrush or hit you with any attack. Thats right, you, as a warlock, can kite a warrior around all day, and its easy. Not to mention you have multiple oh crap buttons in case he gets close and you screw up to keep you alive through any stunlock easily.
How do I know this? I play a warlock, and a warrior.
Furthermore, Wither has range. And you DONT want it do damage. Then it would break fear (hurp durp). Obviously, you are one of those people who don't understand the power of range and how to synergize abilities together so you complain about absolutely nonsense.
Wither is great. Warriors definitely don't have as good CC as Mages. Oh and a Champ is way squishier then a Warlock too.
Last edited by Foofmonger; 03-29-2011 at 09:29 AM.
Mages don't need a buff. Of course not. It's why outside of my guild I can't get a group because rogues and warriors are "better". They're not. Everyone just thinks they are. SC gets by far the best AoE damage but it's offset by our ****ty single target damage.
Mages are only good for three things in PvP. Pushing groups with AOE, ****ty single target DPS, and dying.
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