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    Question Mathosian and Eth? and Kelari and High Elvers

    So was it once like the Eth and Mathosians lived together but then a long lnog time ago the Eth moved to the dessert or something? I mean the both human and every thing. Also the Kelari are just another type of High Elf so did the Kelari or High Elves split into diffrent tribes?

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    Yes the human races were once one, but the Eth left to wander around the world while the mathosians stayed behind.

    As for the elves, the Kelari were a cult that was exposed and it led to a civil war between the Kelari and the High Elves. Eventually the Kelari fled the High Elven society.

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    The Kelari were once a secret sect within the High Elves that renounced their faith in Tavril and began worshipping "Ancestor Spirits" and other entities for power. They were discovered, outted and exiled. They retreated to the Kelari Archipelago. Which was then destroyed by The Abyssal - followers of Akylios.

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    thnx 4 the info

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    Note: While the Guardians in general have a bone to pick with the Eth and Bahmi for their events in the past, the Kelari come in when it comes to the High Elves. I think the only race, maybe, that it just 'piggybacking' on hatred, may be the dwarves, and maybe the bahmi a little.

    We'll find this isn't a Horde/Alliance thing, but rather an animosity built over several incidences, and powered by certain individuals. By the time it gets to the point in the timeline you play in, they're in open war.

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    Quickest way to think about it: Kelari = Dark Elves.

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    That might be a quick way, but it's not an accurate way. The conflict is a very "human" (as in real world human) one, with the heart of it being not a matter of good versus evil, but rather conflicts of philosophy and religion, with each side mischaracterizing and propagandizing the other as the evil one, rather than one being abjectly good and the other evil. The High Elves vs Kelari is a religious conflict plain and simple, taken to bloody ends, not "high vs dark elves" in the D&D alignment nonsense of high vs dark elf or the like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balorion View Post
    That might be a quick way, but it's not an accurate way. The conflict is a very "human" (as in real world human) one, with the heart of it being not a matter of good versus evil, but rather conflicts of philosophy and religion, with each side mischaracterizing and propagandizing the other as the evil one, rather than one being abjectly good and the other evil. The High Elves vs Kelari is a religious conflict plain and simple, taken to bloody ends, not "high vs dark elves" in the D&D alignment nonsense of high vs dark elf or the like.
    Thanks, I was going to say something like that.

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    Where are you guys getting the idea that Eth used to be Mathosians? As far as I know, they're both just different human civilizations that developed independently of each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EtherCrux View Post
    Where are you guys getting the idea that Eth used to be Mathosians? As far as I know, they're both just different human civilizations that developed independently of each other.
    If you read over the lore so far provided by Rift (which they have stated they're still working on ironing out), both the Eth and the Mathosians were once one race. When The Vigil chose to make their presence known and offered the humans power in exchange for reverence, some of the humans split off in the belief that it was knowledge that would lead them to power, not some self-proclaimed gods. And so the Eth and Mathosians were born.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhendali View Post
    If you read over the lore so far provided by Rift (which they have stated they're still working on ironing out), both the Eth and the Mathosians were once one race. When The Vigil chose to make their presence known and offered the humans power in exchange for reverence, some of the humans split off in the belief that it was knowledge that would lead them to power, not some self-proclaimed gods. And so the Eth and Mathosians were born.
    Obviously Eth and Mathosians are both one race, humans. What I'm arguing is that the Eth left before the Mathosian Empire was founded. In other words, humans originated in the north, spread out and settled different regions of Telara, and the Eth and Mathosian Empires developed independently of each other.

    From the Mathosian race entry:

    As Humanity continued to grow in size and sophistication, many began leaving the forests to explore and settle in faraway lands. Yet one farseeing tribe elected to stay behind for many more generations, learning philosophy, music, and the tenets of law from their enlightened neighbors. They eventually ventured north out of the forests to found one of the greatest empires of any race on Telara the Mathosians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daxinferno View Post
    So was it once like the Eth and Mathosians lived together but then a long lnog time ago the Eth moved to the dessert or something? I mean the both human and every thing. Also the Kelari are just another type of High Elf so did the Kelari or High Elves split into diffrent tribes?
    Honor, faith, and duty are the most sacred tenets of the strong Mathosian humans who once ruled the rocky highlands of the north. Mathosians value strength, hard work, and a man’s oath above all other things except perhaps loyalty. It is their commitment to these virtues that helped turn Mathosia into one of the greatest empires Telara has ever known, and from the humblest of beginnings. Tragically, it was also the very beliefs that eventually tore them apart.

    Humans first appeared in the great High Elven forests of Tavra sometime after the Age of Legend. Unlike many of the other races on Telara, humans were created by a collaboration of all the gods, which may explain their swift rise to dominance throughout the world. At first, Humanity was nothing more than wild beasts, seemingly foraging through the forests in very loose clans with no language or apparent intelligence. The High Elves were aware of them and treated them kindly like all other creatures in their care. But humans were surprisingly adaptable and observant; so they flourished, eventually learning languages, magic, and the tenets of civilization.

    For the extremely long lived High Elves, it appeared that the humans became civilized almost overnight. It was difficult for them to accept that humans were more than they first appeared but over time they grew a close relationship with the burgeoning tribes. As Humanity continued to grow in size and sophistication, many began leaving the forests to explore and settle in faraway lands. Yet one farseeing tribe elected to stay behind for many more generations, learning philosophy, music, and the tenets of law from their enlightened neighbors. They eventually ventured north out of the forests to found one of the greatest empires of any race on Telara – the Mathosians.

    For centuries Mathosians prospered in a time of chivalry and fidelity to a long line of kings descended from Tored Mathos. The Mathosian people’s love for duty and loyalty was ultimately turned against them by foreign rivals seeking to slow the expansion of empire. When King Jostir the Ancient mysteriously died, his two twin sons Aedraxis and Zareph were pulled into a horrible and brutal civil war that has became known as the Shade War. As the battles between sorcerers and knights of the crown ravaged the northern half of Telara, the elder brother Aedraxis resorted to dread magic that fractured the protective ward around Telara and pulled the Plane of Death over the land, forever morphing him into an undead king of horrors, and destroying most of the Mathosian homeland in a magical disaster known as the Shade. Many of the loyal followers fled the scourge of the Shade with Zareph and eventually founded the great city of Port Scion. True to their oaths and duty to the line of kings, many Mathosians tragically fled north with their newly crowned liege Aedraxis Mathos, serving an unspeakable evil that now festers in the hearts of all Telarans.


    For once read the websites race section it helps alot it easily accessed and ill post the eth one to


    The Eth are a tribe of humans who adapted to the harsh southern deserts by becoming master survivalists and taming their environment through magic. During the Blood Storm Wars, this inquisitive and fiercely scholarly race discovered a means to harness sourcestone as a fuel for eldritch war machines. After the construction of the Ward and the return of peace to Telara, these proto-technologies saw application in all areas of life. Yet the Vigil soon demanded that sourcestone technology be abandoned. Though it meant being cast from the gods’ sight, the people of Eth refused. In spite of the Vigil, they further conquered their environment and built an empire of conglomerated city-states ruled by brilliant sorcerer kings. The power and influence of the Eth spread throughout Telara, fueled by the wonders of sourcestone.

    Unfortunately, their technology fell into the clutches of insidious dragon cultists, and the Eth empire collapsed soon thereafter. Rather than risk the Blood Storm’s release, the Eth buried their wonders in the sand and destroyed all record of their forbidden techniques.

    Though reduced once again to a nomadic life in the desert, the Eth persevered, using magic to find new ways to adapt. They continue to value scholarly dedication and inventive approaches to problems old and new.

    Following the fall of their empire, many Eth sought asylum with their longtime allies, the Bahmi. Others spread through the verdant lands of Mathosia. Though taken in as scholars and court magicians, the Eth were generally distrusted by the more pious races.

    Eth aesthetics are as complex as their minds, displaying an affinity for the basic shapes and complex repeating patterns of mathematically-inspired art. They despise superstition and call those who place their destiny in the hands of others fools. To an Eth, blind faith is equivalent to mental servitude, a terrifying fate to this highly cerebral people.

    Eth and the Defiants
    The Defiants’ magical technology is based on the relics and ancient wisdom of the Ethian Empire. This long-dead civilization first discovered magical properties in the sourcestone that came through the original rifts. A desert people, the Eth had a long history of self-sufficiency and were skilled at shaping their environment to better sustain life. With sourcestone as fuel, the Eth thrived, pushing the limits of science and magic.

    Eventually, the Eth toppled their own empire to keep the compromised technology out of the hands of the Dragon Cults. Modern-day Eth are the driving force behind the Defiants’ push to reclaim these lost arts for the defense of Telara. And if this should bring about a second golden age for their people, so much the better.



    So lets say this in a simple way Eth =humans that went south from the elven forest
    Mathosian= humans that stayed behind and learned more then left north
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