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    Can anyone explain to me the guardian intro movie ?

    I really don't get who is the King of Mathosia they are talking about.

    Either it is Aedraxis Mathos and I don't get it (he was bad guy and used technomagic but if Guardians are pissed off by techno-magic why would they like Zareph who allowed the use of techno-magic and fought alongside Asha Catari, a defiant...), or it is Zareph Mathos and I still don't get it (the intro movie says that he would have given the world to Regulos and Zareph was not a membert of the endless court).

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    It is Aedraxis - and the Guardians didn't like Zareph allowing Technomagic but went along because he was "rightfully" king

    After the fall of Port Scion Zareph has "disappeared" and the Guardians are free to continue trying to stop Technomagic
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    Well, assuming it is true, It would make the guardian moto a bit weak. Something like:

    "Damn you Defiants for using techno-magic, it brought Telara on the brink of apocalypse. Well of course, since it is so darn powerful we also used it when it was needed but it's different ! We are the chosen ones..."

    Also, the intro movie says that the king was overthrown by the people of Mathosia and then turned to the Defiants and their machines. How could it be than the Defiants would accept Aedraxis although it was Asha Catari (Defiant) who was sent to warn Zareph that Aedraxis was a member of the endless court in the first place ?

    Finally if the schism between Guardians and Defiants happened at the time Aedraxis was overthrown, why would the Eth help Zareph Mathos afterwards ?

    It just does not add up.

    I think that we are missing something and this something is related to Port Scion and its fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sadm0on View Post
    Well, assuming it is true, It would make the guardian moto a bit weak. Something like:

    "Damn you Defiants for using techno-magic, it brought Telara on the brink of apocalypse. Well of course, since it is so darn powerful we also used it when it was needed but it's different ! We are the chosen ones..."

    Also, the intro movie says that the king was overthrown by the people of Mathosia and then turned to the Defiants and their machines. How could it be than the Defiants would accept Aedraxis although it was Asha Catari (Defiant) who was sent to warn Zareph that Aedraxis was a member of the endless court in the first place ?

    Finally if the schism between Guardians and Defiants happened at the time Aedraxis was overthrown, why would the Eth help Zareph Mathos afterwards ?

    It just does not add up.

    I think that we are missing something and this something is related to Port Scion and its fall.
    Well in RL it seems some countries says weapons of mass destruction are evil and should be destroyed while having them themselves and say its purely to keep the balance or protection. So i guess that goes for the guardians as well. They don't have to like it to use it when needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sadm0on View Post
    Well, assuming it is true, It would make the guardian moto a bit weak. Something like:

    "Damn you Defiants for using techno-magic, it brought Telara on the brink of apocalypse. Well of course, since it is so darn powerful we also used it when it was needed but it's different ! We are the chosen ones..."

    Also, the intro movie says that the king was overthrown by the people of Mathosia and then turned to the Defiants and their machines. How could it be than the Defiants would accept Aedraxis although it was Asha Catari (Defiant) who was sent to warn Zareph that Aedraxis was a member of the endless court in the first place ?

    Finally if the schism between Guardians and Defiants happened at the time Aedraxis was overthrown, why would the Eth help Zareph Mathos afterwards ?

    It just does not add up.

    I think that we are missing something and this something is related to Port Scion and its fall.
    Because the Dragon cults are playing both sides of the field.. Basically yes it was a GUARDIAN (the king of mathosia) who tried to summon a dragon.. The guardian's overthrew him & then the dethroned king went to a few defiant who helped him (probably members of the dragon cults)..

    In retaliation the guardians destroyed the machines of ALL the defiants (even some that were trying to repair the Ward). That left the defiant helpless while the Guardians got their behinds handed to them by the Regulos..
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordOberon View Post
    Because the Dragon cults are playing both sides of the field.. Basically yes it was a GUARDIAN (the king of mathosia) who tried to summon a dragon.. The guardian's overthrew him & then the dethroned king went to a few defiant who helped him (probably members of the dragon cults)..

    In retaliation the guardians destroyed the machines of ALL the defiants (even some that were trying to repair the Ward). That left the defiant helpless while the Guardians got their behinds handed to them by the Regulos..
    not quite right

    Aedraxis wasn't a Guardian - he was a death cultist and servant of Regulos.

    The Mathosain people fought a civil war to overthrow him and on the eve of victory he broke the wards using Machines gained from an alliance with the defiants (unclear if this was a splinter faction or the main faction) and Summoned Regulos to defeat his adversaries.

    The Gods intervened and the Guardians were created to overthrow Aedraxis and banish Regulos.

    The Guardians didn't destroy the Defiants machines until after the fall of Port Scion - which was betrayed by a corrupt Guardian Ascended (her name slips my mind right now but she can be found in the Defiant starting zone).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moody View Post
    not quite right

    Aedraxis wasn't a Guardian - he was a death cultist and servant of Regulos.

    The Mathosain people fought a civil war to overthrow him and on the eve of victory he broke the wards using Machines gained from an alliance with the defiants (unclear if this was a splinter faction or the main faction) and Summoned Regulos to defeat his adversaries.

    The Gods intervened and the Guardians were created to overthrow Aedraxis and banish Regulos.

    The Guardians didn't destroy the Defiants machines until after the fall of Port Scion - which was betrayed by a corrupt Guardian Ascended.
    He was the KING of the Mathosians who were Guardians.. Just cause he served Regulos doesn't mean he wasn't a Guardian per say but i guess that's all semantics..
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordOberon View Post
    He was the KING of the Mathosians who were Guardians.. Just cause he served Regulos doesn't mean he wasn't a Guardian per say but i guess that's all semantics..
    no the Guardians weren't created until AFTER the Ward was broken - he was just the Mathosian King. The guardian starting area IS the creation of the Guardian Order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sadm0on View Post
    Can anyone explain to me the guardian intro movie ?

    I really don't get who is the King of Mathosia they are talking about.

    Either it is Aedraxis Mathos and I don't get it (he was bad guy and used technomagic but if Guardians are pissed off by techno-magic why would they like Zareph who allowed the use of techno-magic and fought alongside Asha Catari, a defiant...), or it is Zareph Mathos and I still don't get it (the intro movie says that he would have given the world to Regulos and Zareph was not a membert of the endless court).

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    Something that has needed to be cleared up on the main web page for a very long time (but our web team is swamped) is the connection of Orphiel to the Dragonslayer Convenant. Which I think is confusing a lot of people.

    When we revised the storyline at the time that we did the new starter experiences, Orphiel was no longer associated with the Dragonslayer Covenant. He tutored both of the Mathos brothers when they were young in the Court of Mathos (as well as Asha Catari) was then recruited by Aedraxis to build him war machines, and he recruited other Bahmi and Eth to help him when Aedraxis promised to lift the ban on technology. These early "defiants" were not the same as the Defiant organization. That came much later, when Port Scion fell. These people were glibly referred to as "defiants" because they were defying the gods -- a term they later appropriated. At this point, it was not clear that Aedraxis planned to break the Ward, nor that he was in league with Regulos.

    The Dragonslayer Covenant is still the organization that Asha was a part of, and is still the organization that discovered the link between Aedraxis and Regulos. Asha still came to the battlefield to warn Zareph and company, but it was too late.

    Zareph did later allow Orphiel in to help them fight in Port Scion, and allowed him to try to use technology for good. The world was devastated, and all allies in a hard time are needed. Zareph saw technology as a tool. It is the intent behind it that makes it good or evil. And so he gave Orphiel a chance to atone for past crimes. When it was Asha Catari, his dearest friend, who was the first person brought back by Defiant machines, its potential for good seemed apparent. Cyril might say it was a lapse in judgment on Zareph's part, but Defiants see him as a model of Mathosian rationalism. ;)
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    Thanks for the update, Morgan!

    Keep up the fantastic work!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by missdoomcookie View Post
    Something that has needed to be cleared up on the main web page for a very long time (but our web team is swamped) is the connection of Orphiel to the Dragonslayer Convenant. Which I think is confusing a lot of people.

    When we revised the storyline at the time that we did the new starter experiences, Orphiel was no longer associated with the Dragonslayer Covenant. He tutored both of the Mathos brothers when they were young in the Court of Mathos (as well as Asha Catari) was then recruited by Aedraxis to build him war machines, and he recruited other Bahmi and Eth to help him when Aedraxis promised to lift the ban on technology. These early "defiants" were not the same as the Defiant organization. That came much later, when Port Scion fell. These people were glibly referred to as "defiants" because they were defying the gods -- a term they later appropriated. At this point, it was not clear that Aedraxis planned to break the Ward, nor that he was in league with Regulos.

    The Dragonslayer Covenant is still the organization that Asha was a part of, and is still the organization that discovered the link between Aedraxis and Regulos. Asha still came to the battlefield to warn Zareph and company, but it was too late.

    Zareph did later allow Orphiel in to help them fight in Port Scion, and allowed him to try to use technology for good. The world was devastated, and all allies in a hard time are needed. Zareph saw technology as a tool. It is the intent behind it that makes it good or evil. And so he gave Orphiel a chance to atone for past crimes. When it was Asha Catari, his dearest friend, who was the first person brought back by Defiant machines, its potential for good seemed apparent. Cyril might say it was a lapse in judgment on Zareph's part, but Defiants see him as a model of Mathosian rationalism. ;)
    Thank you so much for clearing those parts up for us! We will make revisions where neccesary.
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    As long as I'm at it, I know there is some confusion over the timeline. Those who have played the newbie experience on the Guardian side know that it has been 20 years since the Mathosian Civil War and the Ward was broken, and I want to confirm that as the time. Not 80 or 60, or the other numbers that have been floating around. It's also been one year since Port Scion fell and the Defiants and Guardians officially split off from each other.
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    Thanks for the double update ... Morgan. Will carry responses over to new thread, so everyone can see.
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    Too bad Zareph had to go and disappear on us. He could have helped mediate things between the Guardians and Defiant so they stop being silly and fighting each other and work on fighting Regulos. Though I suppose if that happened we wouldn't have warring factions. But it shows that not all people on the other side are totally anti-tech. I suppose you can rp a Guardian with Zareph's point of view in mind.

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