How is Maelforge standing alone, but he's in a alliance with Laethys?

[GothWulfe]

Well, on a "good/evil" scale <not saying that any of the dragons are particularly "good"> I would say that it breaks down a bit like this:

"Evil":
Regulos: <Of course> He wants everything dead....end of story.

Maelforge: Again, mass destruction of everything....only to start it all over again in a never ending cycle of chaos and pain.

Laethys: Greed incarnate and wanting to own EVERYTHING, not caring the pain and misery it causes.

"Good":
Greenscale: He wants everything to revert to primeval "predator/prey" where only the strong survive. Kind of like Tavril with PMS and in a REALLY bad mood. Hardly good, but not really particularly "evil" either, if you step back and look at it.

Akylios: Madness is never really "evil", per se, though it's actions can be. In his madness, he wishes everyone else could be mad like him...possibly so everyone can understand what he does....and he won't be alone anymore.

and lastly, Crucia: Arguably the least "evil" of them, as far as the civilization of Telara is concerned. She seems to not want chaos and destruction, but instead order and peace....taken to the extreme. With, of course, Herself as God-Queen of Telara. Her methods, however, leave much to be desired.

[Rosalia]

Well, on a "good/evil" scale <not saying that any of the dragons are particularly "good"> I would say that it breaks down a bit like this:

"Evil":
Regulos: <Of course> He wants everything dead....end of story.

Maelforge: Again, mass destruction of everything....only to start it all over again in a never ending cycle of chaos and pain.

Laethys: Greed incarnate and wanting to own EVERYTHING, not caring the pain and misery it causes.

"Good":
Greenscale: He wants everything to revert to primeval "predator/prey" where only the strong survive. Kind of like Tavril with PMS and in a REALLY bad mood. Hardly good, but not really particularly "evil" either, if you step back and look at it.

Akylios: Madness is never really "evil", per se, though it's actions can be. In his madness, he wishes everyone else could be mad like him...possibly so everyone can understand what he does....and he won't be alone anymore.

and lastly, Crucia: Arguably the least "evil" of them, as far as the civilization of Telara is concerned. She seems to not want chaos and destruction, but instead order and peace....taken to the extreme. With, of course, Herself as God-Queen of Telara. Her methods, however, leave much to be desired.

I always thought Greenscale was the LEAST evil. How he wants Telara is pretty similar to how things are in RL Rainforest/Jungles; Survival Of The Fittest. Crucia would , probably, be second.

[GothWulfe]

I always thought Greenscale was the LEAST evil. How he wants Telara is pretty similar to how things are in RL Rainforest/Jungles; Survival Of The Fittest. Crucia would , probably, be second.

Well, the scale of "evil" is usually seen as how it would impact civilization first and nature second, that's why I would say that Crucia would be classified as just a touch less evil the Greenscale....she likes things as they are...She just wants to be in charge of things as they are.

[Rosalia]

Well, the scale of "evil" is usually seen as how it would impact civilization first and nature second, that's why I would say that Crucia would be classified as just a touch less evil the Greenscale....she likes things as they are...She just wants to be in charge of things as they are.

Ah that makes more sense! So yeah, Crucia maybe just a touch less evil than Greenscale.

[Akamhara]

Greenscale wants all things to be in competition constantly, where only the strongest survive. There's no room left for mortal detractors from this in his world, or civilised ones - so you're looking at Fae hunting down those who are not his cultists, destruction of towns, and wildlife gone mad.

He's not all that fuzzy cuddly. Laethys and Crucia want slaves, so they have some vague use for people. Greenscale has none.

[GothWulfe]

Greenscale wants all things to be in competition constantly, where only the strongest survive. There's no room left for mortal detractors from this in his world, or civilised ones - so you're looking at Fae hunting down those who are not his cultists, destruction of towns, and wildlife gone mad.

He's not all that fuzzy cuddly. Laethys and Crucia want slaves, so they have some vague use for people. Greenscale has none.

Not exactly....the way his outlook seems to be is that if the human/elves/ect. happen to be the strongest, then great, they get to live...if they aren't, well then they are just like everything else. It's all about survive or die. And what makes you think that the fae wouldn't hunt down his cultists? If they aren't stong enough to survive, then they are prey just like everything else.

It's not that Greenscale has no use for people...it's that fact that he doesn't differentiate. A human is the same as a troll, who is the same as a fae, who is the same as an elf, who is the same as a wolf. From his viewpoint, survival of the fittest means just that...he couldn't care less what you are. So does he have a specific use for people, like his sisters do? No. But he does have a use for them...after all, they are part of the "circle of life" just like everything else.

[Akamhara]

Sorry for the lack of clarity in my post Goth, I did mean what you've said above - he has no use for people - culturally, or individually. There's no differentiation, as opposed to say Laethys, who not only likes greedy buggers, but has a use for merchants, and so on.

[Maeloda]

Not exactly....the way his outlook seems to be is that if the human/elves/ect. happen to be the strongest, then great, they get to live...if they aren't, well then they are just like everything else. It's all about survive or die. And what makes you think that the fae wouldn't hunt down his cultists? If they aren't stong enough to survive, then they are prey just like everything else.

It's not that Greenscale has no use for people...it's that fact that he doesn't differentiate. A human is the same as a troll, who is the same as a fae, who is the same as an elf, who is the same as a wolf. From his viewpoint, survival of the fittest means just that...he couldn't care less what you are. So does he have a specific use for people, like his sisters do? No. But he does have a use for them...after all, they are part of the "circle of life" just like everything else.

I have a feeling that both Life and Death stuff will return eventually, but we had to deal with Water/Earth/Fire/and soon Air first. Death returning is a given, but I think Life will also have a plot significance, even if it doesn't directly involve Greenscale.

[Maeloda]

Ah that makes more sense! So yeah, Crucia maybe just a touch less evil than Greenscale.

Nah, I'd call Greenscale chaotically evil, but Crucia wants to dominate everything that exists.

It's the whole - would you rather die, or be in no control of your actions or thoughts for the rest of your life? Most would say die. Greenscale would gladly kill you, Crucia will gradually turn you into a total puppet. (like indoctrination in Mass Effect)


If Crucia was actually willing to give beings a measure of choice and self-determination, then sure, she is less evil, but she doesn't. Ideally, everyone (cultist or not) would be directly controllable by her. She's just not at that place yet, but once was heading there in Iron Pine Peak, with an empire.

[Maeloda]

Well, on a "good/evil" scale <not saying that any of the dragons are particularly "good"> I would say that it breaks down a bit like this:

"Evil":
Regulos: <Of course> He wants everything dead....end of story.

Maelforge: Again, mass destruction of everything....only to start it all over again in a never ending cycle of chaos and pain.

Laethys: Greed incarnate and wanting to own EVERYTHING, not caring the pain and misery it causes.

"Good":
Greenscale: He wants everything to revert to primeval "predator/prey" where only the strong survive. Kind of like Tavril with PMS and in a REALLY bad mood. Hardly good, but not really particularly "evil" either, if you step back and look at it.

Akylios: Madness is never really "evil", per se, though it's actions can be. In his madness, he wishes everyone else could be mad like him...possibly so everyone can understand what he does....and he won't be alone anymore.

and lastly, Crucia: Arguably the least "evil" of them, as far as the civilization of Telara is concerned. She seems to not want chaos and destruction, but instead order and peace....taken to the extreme. With, of course, Herself as God-Queen of Telara. Her methods, however, leave much to be desired.

To me, it's more:

Order:
-Regulos (though once achieving it, he will destroy it all at once)
-Laethys (all the profits go to her)
-Crucia (all...everything, go to her)

Chaos:
-Greenscale (surivival of fittest, constant upheaval)
-Akylios (madness and inscrutable knowledge, cabals aren't even really organized)
-Maelforge (the armies are organized, but everything else is not. The world itself will constantly be in a form of hell, in his ideal)


The Order ones want an sort of Empire, just in different ways.
The Chaos ones barely even want followers, but followers gravitate towards them regardless.

Greenscale's power is a Holy Grail for many, Akylios sents tendrils into people's minds likely without even purposefully doing so, and Maelforge has planar armies stuck into the frenzy of violence, just by doing what he does.

Are you going to survive in Regulos' world? No, as he seems to be intent on making everything GONE. At best you'll eventually turn undead, like into a lich or something.
Are you going to survive in Crucia's world? Perhaps, but as a total puppet, eventually.
Are you going to survive in Laethys' world? Only if you are the most grovveling servant.
Are you going to survive in Greenscale's world? Only if you have the greatest power of strength and will... otherwise you're quickly gone, torn apart by something.
Are you going to survive in Maelforge's world? Same as Greenscale. Some Telarans would survive, but be lost to frenzy and pain, and at best, be like that Pyromancer boss in Lantern Hook.
Are you going to survive in Akylios' world? Maybe, but you'll have to cut apart everything good in order to even have a place in it (kill your family, etc). And even then, he could suddenly decide you'll be better dead, or committing suicide.

They're all horrible, and imo all equally evil - with perhaps Regulos just being the most clearly evil. Their 'tiers' are in respect to their tactics and immoral placement, not in 'how' immoral they are. You may survive in some horrible form with all the dragons but Regulos, that's all.