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    Default imbalance between Defiants and Guardians

    For now, IMO, seems Defiant side is more attractive due to tehnology, gadgets and all other mechanical things then Guardian side.

    Accordingly, Defiant society have ability to grow up and develop themselfs in all directions in the future (weaponology, trevel, sience etc...) and Guardians, since they refues inovations, will stay in dark ages.

    This lead to big imbalance between Defiants and Guardians because there is no fair fight between high tech society and traditionally conservative society.

    So, just wondering how Trion can make Guardians more attractiv and equal to Defiants. Maybe with more divine power or abilities.

    What is your opinion about this?

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    You'd be amazed what kind of progress you can make when you don't have to justify it due to it being manipulated by an effectively omnipotent conclave of gods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terram View Post
    You'd be amazed what kind of progress you can make when you don't have to justify it due to it being manipulated by an effectively omnipotent conclave of gods.
    Or how much progress you can make when you don't let said gods hold you back from exploring powers that would make you their equals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoMage View Post
    Or how much progress you can make when you don't let said gods hold you back from exploring powers that would make you their equals.
    How much progress can you make when your own technology destroys your whole civilization because you cannot control it.. (like what happened to the eth empire)
    "Power is neccessary because conflict will never dissappear"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seminola View Post
    This lead to big imbalance between Defiants and Guardians because there is no fair fight between high tech society and traditionally conservative society.
    Wow. Lets keep the anthropologists out of this thread.

    I suppose it all depends on how you define 'fight'. Also, remember that Vigil is real. And they made the entire Telaria, and thus the Eth, and thus the very technology you suggest threaten them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quay View Post
    Wow. Lets keep the anthropologists out of this thread.

    I suppose it all depends on how you define 'fight'. Also, remember that Vigil is real. And they made the entire Telaria, and thus the Eth, and thus the very technology you suggest threaten them.
    This. This is not just (like you said) an anthropological contrast here, since:
    1)Vigil is real, and has 'real-world' effects.
    2)Magitech is not like anything we have in our world.

    This isn't silicon valley vs. medieval Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordOberon View Post
    How much progress can you make when your own technology destroys your whole civilization because you cannot control it.. (like what happened to the eth empire)

    That wasn't a matter of the magic simply being too powerful. An interloper of maelforge was responsible for corrupting the magic and annihilating Redoubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gildedlink View Post
    That wasn't a matter of the magic simply being too powerful. An interloper of maelforge was responsible for corrupting the magic and annihilating Redoubt.

    It was still their own technology used against them.. Control also means keeping said technology out of the hands of those who would use it for evil purposes (something the defiant have CONSTANTLY failed to do)
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    How much progress can you make when your own technology destroys your whole civilization because you cannot control it.. (like what happened to the eth empire)
    You should probably not make statements that contradict the actual lore and show yourself an ignorant 'forum warrior'. Eth did not 'lose control' of their tech, or 'destroy themselves'. Their machines were sabotaged by wanton during the Convocation. It's like saying, hey look, you cant control your own hands! When a dragon came by and torn that hand of yours off.

    I suppose it all depends on how you define 'fight'. Also, remember that Vigil is real. And they made the entire Telaria, and thus the Eth, and thus the very technology you suggest threaten them.
    By that logic, they gave us free will so we can choose to threaten them if we like that. Make use of every tool you have, your daddy will not always be around to get you out of the mess. By the way, if the gods only ever created the intelligent people of telara to be their playthings and lab rats, by all rights I would set to overthrow them. Since, you know, they also gave me the free will to judge about that and make the decisions.

    It was still their own technology used against them.. Control also means keeping said technology out of the hands of those who would use it for evil purposes (something the defiant have CONSTANTLY failed to do)
    Right about as many times as the Vigil failed with their godlike powers. Alsbeth and Kain approve of your statement!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halman View Post
    You should probably not make statements that contradict the actual lore and show yourself an ignorant 'forum warrior'. Eth did not 'lose control' of their tech, or 'destroy themselves'. Their machines were sabotaged by wanton during the Convocation. It's like saying, hey look, you cant control your own hands! When a dragon came by and torn that hand of yours off.



    By that logic, they gave us free will so we can choose to threaten them if we like that. Make use of every tool you have, your daddy will not always be around to get you out of the mess. By the way, if the gods only ever created the intelligent people of telara to be their playthings and lab rats, by all rights I would set to overthrow them. Since, you know, they also gave me the free will to judge about that and make the decisions.



    Right about as many times as the Vigil failed with their godlike powers. Alsbeth and Kain approve of your statement!
    I know the minions of maelforge sabatogued the eths technology.. that doesn't change the fact that it was their technology, they were too pompous to guard it (thinking they were all powerful).. End of the day their own technology destroyed their empire because they didn't control it (by letting the minions of maelforge sabotage it)

    As far as the vigil failing..

    Alsbeth was a student of Orphiel (you know the one who turned on the machine that caused the destruction in mathosia) Orphiel wasn't capable of controlling his own technology.. Kane was an unfortunate victim of corruption of the peices of Aedraxis (another one of Orphiel's students).

    And considering how much Orphiel (or an Orphiel) is messing with fate (further causing problems).. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he interfered with both Alsbeth's and Kain's fate just to see what would happen
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordOberon View Post
    I know the minions of maelforge sabatogued the eths technology.. that doesn't change the fact that it was their technology, they were too pompous to guard it (thinking they were all powerful).. End of the day their own technology destroyed their empire because they didn't control it (by letting the minions of maelforge sabotage it)

    As far as the vigil failing..

    Alsbeth was a student of Orphiel (you know the one who turned on the machine that caused the destruction in mathosia) Orphiel wasn't capable of controlling his own technology.. Kane was an unfortunate victim of corruption of the peices of Aedraxis (another one of Orphiel's students).

    And considering how much Orphiel (or an Orphiel) is messing with fate (further causing problems).. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he interfered with both Alsbeth's and Kain's fate just to see what would happen
    Actually, Alsbeth was not a student of Orphiel. He personally tutored the princes of Mathosia, Aedraxis and Zareph as well as the Eth princess Asha. Alsbeth was a ward of the Mathosian queen until she kicked the bucket as well as Asha's semi-best friend during their time in Quicksilver College. Nothing to do with Orphiel so you have a minor lore failure right there.

    And on the Guardian side, the Kain questline shows absolutely no interference from anyone else. The Vigil even gives you a vision into the past via Carwin Mathos so you can see Kain's actions, his motives and condemn him yourself after he finally loses it and starts slaughtering innocent people.

    Out of three students, only one went bad and it's hinted that one went astray because of his other advisers. Alsbeth made her own choices as did Kain, blaming that on Orphiel is reaching at best, unsupported by the current lore at worst.
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    Verily, Maelforge did say, "Suffer all the bros to come at me!"

    Yeah, that piece is canon.

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    I know the minions of maelforge sabatogued the eths technology.. that doesn't change the fact that it was their technology, they were too pompous to guard it (thinking they were all powerful).. End of the day their own technology destroyed their empire because they didn't control it (by letting the minions of maelforge sabotage it)
    And the Endless Court sabotaged the entire Mathosian civilization. You really, really want to go down the blame game road?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terram View Post
    And the Endless Court sabotaged the entire Mathosian civilization. You really, really want to go down the blame game road?
    You mean the endless court who were released into telera using Ethian technology used by an Eth (aka orphiel)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seminola View Post
    For now, IMO, seems Defiant side is more attractive due to tehnology, gadgets and all other mechanical things then Guardian side.

    Accordingly, Defiant society have ability to grow up and develop themselfs in all directions in the future (weaponology, trevel, sience etc...) and Guardians, since they refues inovations, will stay in dark ages.

    This lead to big imbalance between Defiants and Guardians because there is no fair fight between high tech society and traditionally conservative society.

    So, just wondering how Trion can make Guardians more attractiv and equal to Defiants. Maybe with more divine power or abilities.

    What is your opinion about this?
    many people are confusing things. The Guardians arent against Tech, as in the tech we know of in real life.

    They are against the use of SourceShards for use with Technomagic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordOberon View Post
    You mean the endless court who were released into telera using Ethian technology used by an Eth (aka orphiel)?
    The Endless Court existed since the Blood Storm wars.

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