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    Greetings,

    I was wondering if it's ever possible for an Ascended Guardian become evil, or at least "chaotic neutral". It seems that Defiant characters are much more flexible regarding alignment, since they don't care about Vigil gods.

    Plus, what's about a Guardian with a Necromancer soul? I mean, such a character is not necessarily evil, but it's unlikely for them to follow righteous gods, no?

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    Alsbeth was a Guardian Ascended before going over to Regulos' side. And then there's Kane. If you mean evil, but still a member of the Guardian faction, sure, why not? As long as your evilness coincides with their plans. If you can get your evil jollies from killing Defiant and Cultists and you don't go around killing other Guardians, I'm sure they'd turn a blind eye.

    As for the whole Necromancer Guardian conundrum, again, as long as it's not Guardians you're desecrating and only raising Defiants or Cultists, I'm sure they're willing to forgive and forget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camus View Post
    Greetings,

    I was wondering if it's ever possible for an Ascended Guardian become evil, or at least "chaotic neutral". It seems that Defiant characters are much more flexible regarding alignment, since they don't care about Vigil gods.

    Plus, what's about a Guardian with a Necromancer soul? I mean, such a character is not necessarily evil, but it's unlikely for them to follow righteous gods, no?
    The go-to bit of lore here is the opening cinematic Guardian side, in particular the part that says that the Guardians were chosen "not for their virtue, but for their might." That's basically a statement that says The Vigil are taking a "We don't care how you do it, just get it done" attitude with regards to the Ascended. If they have to raise a skeleton or two to stop the Blood Storm, the ends will justify the means.

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    Firstly, necromancers are not considered "evil" in Telara. MANY callings dabble in the Plane of Death. It's a fact of life. They are, however, considered really, really weird. And the people who do it are probably really, really creepy to other people.

    That said, the Guardians obviously don't care what you do as long as it's for the Vigil. Otherwise Kain would have gotten a boot up his *** a long time before he became a zone boss.

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    Let’s try to leave simplistic D&D alignments at the door, they just straightjacket roleplaying.

    This problem has arisen because the designers wanted both sides to have every soul for PvP balance, a concept I fully endorse. But they could have solved that problem in a way more consistent with the lore. The Necromancer and Warlock should have been given different names, say Redeemer and Theurgist. You then would need a new ‘Redeemer‘ pet, how about ghosts or acolytes of some sort? Change the names of the powers, some of the colours and a few of the special effects. They you have it, two souls that fit the Guardians perfectly.

    This sort of game design that ignores lore is not extremely rare in the game, if you are going to have factions they have to be consistent.

    So as a roleplayer what can you do? Firstly you could use sleight of hand, ‘He looks like an undead? My servant is the ghost of a former sinner who is paying for his misdemeanours by servitude to me.’ Alternatively you could set yourself up as a mage who studies death in an effort to fight it, after all that’s what the Defiant ones are supposed to be. Unless they are all meant to be plane of death servants – see the problems Trion not thinking these things through causes?

    I don't agree that death magic is not considered evil, it is used by those who fight against the plane of death, but is considered very dangerous to be associated with. You don't team up a death scientist with an assassin who keeps an eye on her unless you want to make sure someone is on hand to deal with that danger.

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    Huh? Defiants are the ones who aren't flexible. They know what's going to happen in the future and their sole purpose is to prevent it. They may have their own personality traits, sure, but nowhere near as vast and zealous as those of the Guardians since they aren't religious and use magitech and lots of technology in general, which attributes to more "rational" frames of mind.

    A Guardian can be anything from utterly evil and wanting only power (using it to defeat Regulos and stop the end of the world being just a minor goal) to utterly good and virtuous and honorable and anything in between.

    "But the Vigil intervined. Their messengers went among the fallen and ascended the worthy not for their virtue but for their might."
    "I wasn't chosen for my faith..."
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    There is a plethora of ways you can be evil on as a guardian. You don't even have to go the traditional dark way to be evil - Extremely zealous characters can justify killing off another person if they suspect they are traitors and usually get away with it too, they do not need evidence. You can also simply be neutral to the factions, which will make you a traitor in both factions eyes, and they would probably call you evil for that. Even if all you want to do is hug rabbits.

    As for necromancy, using it doesn't mean that you are evil, but you ARE toying with an "evil" source of magic, and said source will attempt to make you evil through corruption. Also, the whole "I wasn't chosen for my fate but for my might" deal does justify a lot of things in some situations, but only towards certain people with certain opinions. You may find that someone will tolerate you having a skeleton next to you, but in many many cases, if you drag your skeleton into the Sanctum I will place my bets on that most people won't find it one bit cute, and they will probably either get really angry or fear you and not talk to you (well, the guards might not fear you)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talila View Post
    There is a plethora of ways you can be evil on as a guardian. You don't even have to go the traditional dark way to be evil - Extremely zealous characters can justify killing off another person if they suspect they are traitors and usually get away with it too, they do not need evidence. You can also simply be neutral to the factions, which will make you a traitor in both factions eyes, and they would probably call you evil for that. Even if all you want to do is hug rabbits.

    As for necromancy, using it doesn't mean that you are evil, but you ARE toying with an "evil" source of magic, and said source will attempt to make you evil through corruption. Also, the whole "I wasn't chosen for my fate but for my might" deal does justify a lot of things in some situations, but only towards certain people with certain opinions. You may find that someone will tolerate you having a skeleton next to you, but in many many cases, if you drag your skeleton into the Sanctum I will place my bets on that most people won't find it one bit cute, and they will probably either get really angry or fear you and not talk to you (well, the guards might not fear you)
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    Or is history teaching us that the morals of a modern man are never going to be the same as his forefathers? So no matter if we are talking about a scientist, a philosopher or a doctor; their morals will never live up to that paragon of all virtue, the modern man.

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