"Mentality in Warfronts" @ RPGParadise

[raptorak]

Rift warfronts have always been plagued by elitest attitudes and rude comments from one player to another. The one I've experienced the most lately is role-bashing, due to the amount of players not wanting to heal in the warfronts. The result of the put-downs and hostility are that many players who otherwise would enjoy them end up quitting. There are already enough people who aren't even interested in doing warfronts because they feel they wouldn't be good enough: bashing people because of their roles doesn't help that.

Full article: Warfront Mentality

tldr; *everyone* can play a healer, so bashing others because they don't want to heal is wrong. Considering we all pay the same amount for our accounts (excluding the obvious 1-month vs 12-month subs), we should all have the choice of what role we want to play in our warfronts.



Less role-bashing please!

[Sargonnas_KoA]

I find myself somewhat disagreeing with the article.

The object of a warfront is to win and usually the Defiants are better at working together than the Guardians, where I play, which leads to the Defiant winning far more warfronts. Id say 6 or 7 of every ten games at level 50 our side loses depending on which warfront it is.

Yes, you are correct that people can play how they want, but its completely pointless to do warfronts only to lose every single game because not one of the 4 clerics in the 15 man warfront wants to heal. Everyone wants to be the dps god and we end up losing the warfront because they are more focused on killing other players than completing the objective of the warfront or keeping our players alive.

[Cymoril]

I put jerks on ignore. When no one listens to them theyll figure it out. Thats what I do when im healing. Crybabies and griefers get it right off the bat. Then if i escalates Ill add to it. I join WFs now w/o and griefing or crying and im r8. I try to be helpful, which isnt always taken that way but u cant win em all.

[ChainsawPlankton]

usually the Defiants are better at working together than the Guardians,

was the exact opposite, and tbh I stopped pvping because I got sick of all the heros, and the greens/blues. that and somehow as a healer I was always on the front line, everyone else went and ran behind me.

[Zaros]

If you read the chat, chances are you're doing it wrong

[Charlice]

Seems largely to depend on the battlegroup you're in, and the times you play.

Got to admit the battlegroup I'm in now, is a billion times better than the one I recently left.

Anyone that abuses someone on OUR team finds their way onto my ignore list. That and I have yells on a separate tab.

[raptorak]

I put jerks on ignore. When no one listens to them theyll figure it out. Thats what I do when im healing. Crybabies and griefers get it right off the bat. Then if i escalates Ill add to it. I join WFs now w/o and griefing or crying and im r8. I try to be helpful, which isnt always taken that way but u cant win em all.

Replying to this one with the next.

Seems largely to depend on the battlegroup you're in, and the times you play.

Got to admit the battlegroup I'm in now, is a billion times better than the one I recently left.

Anyone that abuses someone on OUR team finds their way onto my ignore list. That and I have yells on a separate tab.

I don't ignore people unless it's for a real reason (generally things like scamming). Anything chat-related, I just move past it in the hopes that at some point people will catch on to how they're causing people to feel. Sadly, after many months of this it appears that the elitest (I guess we can call them that?) are completely oblivious and think they're helping things by the constant flaming.

If you read the chat, chances are you're doing it wrong

lol, chat is the only way of organization for completely random WF's, :P

I find myself somewhat disagreeing with the article.

The object of a warfront is to win and usually the Defiants are better at working together than the Guardians, where I play, which leads to the Defiant winning far more warfronts. Id say 6 or 7 of every ten games at level 50 our side loses depending on which warfront it is.

Yes, you are correct that people can play how they want, but its completely pointless to do warfronts only to lose every single game because not one of the 4 clerics in the 15 man warfront wants to heal. Everyone wants to be the dps god and we end up losing the warfront because they are more focused on killing other players than completing the objective of the warfront or keeping our players alive.

Out of curiosity, what BG is it? I'm on Wolfsbane right now and a majority of the time (at least for 50's) it's just non-stop bashing each other for one reason or another. Half the time the hostility comes even before the Warfront gets started.



I'm not saying that people can't get "around" the problem by ignoring (using /ignore or doing it in your mind) others but the fact is the majority of players don't do that. As a result, we end up with less players taking part, which means less player retention (one more thing = one more thing to keep players here), which means decreasing populations. The effect of it is a compounding factor, in that the more it goes on the worse the effect is.

[Zaros]

lol, chat is the only way of organization for completely random WF's, :P

Oh I know, but it doesn't really work because in most PUGs, 50% of the people are illiterate
After earning 4 million favor solely from PUGs, I can tell you the only way to get peoples attention is to put a big white number over your head and talk in raid warnings.

[Charlice]

Oh I know, but it doesn't really work because in most PUGs, 50% of the people are illiterate
After earning 4 million favor solely from PUGs, I can tell you the only way to get peoples attention is to put a big white number over your head and talk in raid warnings.

Raid warnings ftw! Don't have time to read chat, too busy role playing a corpse!

[mo0trix]

I find myself somewhat disagreeing with the article.

The object of a warfront is to win and usually the Defiants are better at working together than the Guardians, where I play, which leads to the Defiant winning far more warfronts. Id say 6 or 7 of every ten games at level 50 our side loses depending on which warfront it is.

Yes, you are correct that people can play how they want, but its completely pointless to do warfronts only to lose every single game because not one of the 4 clerics in the 15 man warfront wants to heal. Everyone wants to be the dps god and we end up losing the warfront because they are more focused on killing other players than completing the objective of the warfront or keeping our players alive.

Actually the object of anything you do playing the game is to enjoy it and have fun.

Wouldn't be surprised if you are one of the baddies that decides how other people should play.

[Kalitar]

Nice article.

Some would likely call me one of those WF jerks. Just to be clear I don't call out individual people or start screaming at DPS clerics to heal etc. But I DO comment on things such as stupidity eg ill say things like "love the vault zerg there..." Or "Nice that we cap dex and everyone just up and leaves so the stealthed rogue just recaps it..." or "why go and try to 1v5 the other side... so pointless"etc. I, as I said don't call specific people out.

But I tell you what attitude is just as unfunny as some "elitist" jerk screaming at people. Its people who do nothing to contribute to a WF victory and no randomly attacking people in the middle of whitefall and staying there the whole game is doing nothing to contribute to winning. It is frustrating for people who try to win WFs by picking up vessles, capping nodes or holding fangs etc when 90% of the team does not do these things and it often ends up with the same people "carrying" the rest of the team to victory.

Being one of those people that will forgo just face rolling in the midfield in Whitefall and instead focus on getting the enemy stone or getting ours back I find it just drains my fun after awhile when most of your own team wont help you win and are to busy chasing some half dead guy to some out of the way part of the warfront to Finnish him off. Cause you know it takes 5 people to kill some half dead guy.

So after awhile I do start making comments (as I said above not at specific people) and if that makes me one of those WF jerks so be it.

They should just make all WFs team death match and be done with it, its what most people want just look at WFs now.

[Acesfool]

It's quite simple really. As you said, everyone has the right to play what or how they want. But, when one side has healers and your side doesn't, your side has no room to complain if they keep losing.

Hell, I'd be impressed just to see a group actually try to kill the healer on the other team.

[Ultimaetus]

I quit warfronts because the matchmaking puts an r2 against people who actually have gear and whatnot. The rich get richer and the poor only get marginally less poor.

[raptorak]

They should just make all WFs team death match and be done with it, its what most people want just look at WFs now.

I think that would solve a lot of the problems. I have the feeling that's kind of what the purpose of Library was for -- to help push people towards a more kill-based system. TDM would be awesome.

It's quite simple really. As you said, everyone has the right to play what or how they want. But, when one side has healers and your side doesn't, your side has no room to complain if they keep losing.

Hell, I'd be impressed just to see a group actually try to kill the healer on the other team.

Completely agree on both of these. I never complain about losing. As a PUG-based system, it happens. And organization on a target-for-target system is by far the worst I've ever encountered. Using addons that show listings of everyone your raid has targeted, I've been in MANY warfronts where we'd have 15 v 15 and have 11-12 active targets. Healers or not is irrelevant in those cases.

[Aalnyan]

is it just me or has this forum just basically become Rift Fan Site post it here? seems any more theres about 10 of these a week. Yes I saw the explanation of why they are here but that doesn't seem to chime in. They gave fan site operators a place for their threads but these threads don't seem to be getting moved there and it seems this has just become the fan site operator forum. And nearly all the discussion on the article is done here instead of on their fan site. Probally to avoid the ad driven sites they are ran on but hey guess its just something I'll need to skip from here on out.